Should Japan Return The Czar's Gold?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Serb


Stolen, my ass. Those lands belonged to Russia untill Japan stolen them after their war of agression against Russia. If in 2105 Russia will invade Texas, take it from you and if you'll attack Russia later, in 2145 and return Texas back to America, will it be thievery of Russian land "Texas"?

[Zylka]

hey I think I remember in the Ghost In The Shell comic series there was some back history of Russia returning Sakhalin for a small boatload of platinum

fact.. or FICTION?!?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Stolen, my ass. Those lands belonged to Russia untill Japan stolen them after their war of agression against Russia.

What's so funny?
Was it Russia who attacked first?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar

You're welcome.

[Frankychan]

The Kuril's native population was of Ainu and Japanese descent.

The more I read this thread, the more I say that Japan should give back the gold only if Russia gives back Karafuto island AND the Kuril's.

[bipolarbear]

They should donate all to charity.

[Flip McWho]

They should donate it all to me.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Frankychan
The Kuril's native population was of Ainu and Japanese descent.

The more I read this thread, the more I say that Japan should give back the gold only if Russia gives back Karafuto island AND the Kuril's.

PBS (pure bullsh!t)
Russians colonized those lands first.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Serb
Russians colonized those lands first.

*points at Serb and laughs*

[Combat Ingrid]

Btw, I bet you also believe that St Petersburg was founded in an uninhabited region, without any Swedish or Finnish settlements

[ErikM]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
Btw, I bet you also believe that St Petersburg was founded in an uninhabited region, without any Swedish or Finnish settlements

Grrr... And who inhabited those lands before Sweden?
Ingermanland was historically a Novgorodian province and went to Muscovy after Ivan III's conquest of Novgorod. Was lost to Sweden in the aftermath of Livonian wars. So there were both ugric and russian settlements there, although it was sparcely inhabited.

And yes, Peter the Great has built St. Petersburg there AND transferred the capital there while it was technically still a Swedish territory. A gutsy guy, Peter the Great was, they just don't make guys like him anymore

[Serb]

Originally posted by ErikM

Ingermanland was historically a Novgorodian province and went to Muscovy after Ivan III's conquest of Novgorod.

Exactly
Those Sweden fellows just jealous that it was Russia who buried Sweden as great power.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid


*points at Serb and laughs*

I didn't exepect any other reaction. You can laugh, but you can't deny this simple truth.

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by ErikM

Grrr... And who inhabited those lands before Sweden?
Ingermanland was historically a Novgorodian province and went to Muscovy after Ivan III's conquest of Novgorod. Was lost to Sweden in the aftermath of Livonian wars. So there were both ugric and russian settlements there, although it was sparcely inhabited.

And yes, Peter the Great has built St. Petersburg there AND transferred the capital there while it was technically still a Swedish territory. A gutsy guy, Peter the Great was, they just don't make guys like him anymore

The point is that the typical Russian version of how St Petersburg was founded is that the area was totally uninhabited. Even on Discovery they claim so.
I'm just trying to point out how Russian expansion/conquest tends to be described similar to "curious exploration of virgin lands"

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Serb
I didn't exepect any other reaction. You can laugh, but you can't deny this simple truth.

No, I will certainly not deny the simple truth that those islands were inhabited by the Ainu people long before the Russians arrived. Just like the Japanese did on the southern islands, the "curious Russian explorers" had to use extensive force towards the Ainu people before they could claim the northern islands as Russian territory