Start of Civil War? Attacks Across Iraq!

[GePap]

The only credentials needed is the power of a gun-the Grand Ayatollah in Iran (whose name I always forget) was a mid-level cleric far behind many higher and more senior clerics, but Khomeini tapped him for leadership after his original successor designate Montezari became a critic.

As I have said twice before, the worse part about what just happened is the complete lack of action by the Iraqi police-they just melted away....way to go!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by GePap
The only credentials needed is the power of a gun-

Hence his forming a militia loyal to him in order to leap frog the pecking order established in Shiite law.

[Arrian]

And getting his name out as "that guy up in Fallulah who stood up to the Americans!" (for a day or two anyway)

-Arrian

[GePap]

He is not in Fallujah. He is a Najaf now.Was in Kuffa before.

F-for Sunni, K of N for Shiite

[Arrian]

Oh, sorry, mixed up my Iraqi cities there.

-Arrian

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by GePap
the Grand Ayatollah in Iran (whose name I always forget)

You'd be thinking of Khamenei.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Supporter of War and Supporter of Occupation is the same thing.

No, it isn't. A supporter of the war is someone who thought we should invade and overthrow their government. A supporter of the occupation is someone who sees remaining as the best policy, after we've already gone in. All of the supporters of the war are supporters of the occupation (excpet possibly a few nutcases) but many who were detractors of the war are also supporters of the occupation - the war is over and done with, and we have to make decisions about the here and now, not the past.

[The Mad Viking]

TMV rearranges MTG's sentences...

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

Of course, one could consider the Hussein government's actions in Kurdish and Shiite parts of Iraq...

as

... what happens when combatants hide among civilians.

but I don't want to interject a little reality and detract from the point you're trying to make.

[MrFun]

Viking -- I am the only one that has the patent for misquoting others.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
TMV rearranges MTG's sentences...

Weren't you the one whining about lotm "misquoting" you? Oh and UR do your job!

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by GePap
The only credentials needed is the power of a gun-the Grand Ayatollah in Iran (whose name I always forget) was a mid-level cleric far behind many higher and more senior clerics, but Khomeini tapped him for leadership after his original successor designate Montezari became a critic.

As I have said twice before, the worse part about what just happened is the complete lack of action by the Iraqi police-they just melted away....way to go!

IIRC, Khamanei is not a grand ayatollah, as there are only four. He was also one of, if not the, chief prosecutors for the revolutionary tribunals under Khomeini, and his zealotry in that position brought him a lot of notice.

[Chemical Ollie]

All you guys who seem to think the US is engaged in killing at any cost haven't seen US forces engage an enemy to our full capability.

Well Michael, you could always nuke the Kaba. That would show those terrorists who is boss! But it is a sure way to win the battle and lose the war...

Trolling apart, I disagree with your theory on how to pacify the guerilla. For every enemy soldier you kill, at least two more will emerge. It is like a hydra, and you could never win. You could have an outstanding kill/loss ratio, but your own losses will still happen and will eventually make a majority of the American public turn against the war. Time will tell who is correct.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by The Mad Viking
TMV rearranges MTG's sentences...

You can rearrance the sentences, but not the reality. Kurdish and Shiite combatants arose after years of terror, murder, and continuous secret police activity on the part of the Hussein regime, and the regime's military responses to resistance were designed to inflict civilian casualties.

Come back and talk to me if the US kills tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians in Fallujah and ar Ramadi.

[pchang]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie


Well Michael, you could always nuke the Kaba. That would show those terrorists who is boss! But it is a sure way to win the battle and lose the war...

Actually, if we killed them all, by definition, we would have won the war.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat




Start the ****, lose control of it, then play peacemaker.



At least this ******* has style and a sense of humor.

It was the CIA and MOSSAD, or VULCAN*, who started the f*cking sh*t. They let those mercs in Falluja be ambushed by having Mossad agents set them up. They banned the newspaper. They arrested the aide, and did not tell the Spanish what was going on. They sent out an arrest for al Sadr, despite the fact that it was initially the Bat'ahists who the CPA claimed responsible. They possibly tried to provoke civil war between the Shi'a and Sunni by having agents bomb and assasininating. They were probably behind the letter that called for a Ba'athist or Al-Qaeda initiated civil war between Shi'a and Sunni.

THEY, however don't think that people can think for themselves and put 2 and 2 together.

*VULCAN is the provisonal military government set up in the US after the attacks against the WTC.