Start of Civil War? Attacks Across Iraq!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
With 3-400 in less than a week, you're making good progress

Civilians, not guerillas.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
The war has just begun in my oppinion.

Well, your "opinion" is wrong

The 'war' initially was not really a war but a sports broadcast by embedded journalist to give Fox-vievers and Rupert Murdoch a hard-on.

interesting way of putting it

The idea that the occupation is in the best interest of the Iraqi people is preposterous. People have been brainwashed by the idea that if the 'coaliation' left then it would be civil war.

Oh, so if we left them with no functioning government or civil service, things would be just dandy?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Your first point was a complete troll so cut it out dickhead

Go and have a look at the casualty figures yourself.

[Alexander's Horse]

Coalition forces won every battle in Vietnam and still lost the war.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Agathon


Just because you're a sissy virgin.

Oh you Joker you. You cut me to the quick and make me realize I now have to divorce my wife for infidelities leading to our two children. You monster you.

OTOH, it kinna sucks to be you as well what with your one and only experience being used by that so called hottie.

[Lord Merciless]

Vietnamese had unlimited support from both Russians and Chinese. If they were fighting by themselves, they would have been crushed by the French in the 50s. Where do you think they get all their MiGs, SAMs, and heavy artilleries?

Iraqi insurgents don't have any superpowers supporting them, they don't even have a minor power supporting them. All they can do is to incite some murderous fools to kill people. You don't want to cave in to a few thousand gun-toting thugs, do you?

As a reminder: Since Israel has blown that mother****er Yassin to shreds a few weeks ago, it hasn't suffered a single attack.

[Dis]

don't jinx it man

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Kucinich


Civilians, not guerillas.

Exactly

[Dinner]

It was the CIA and MOSSAD, or VULCAN*, who started the f*cking sh*t.

I like you tripledoc but this conspiracy stuff you feel inclined to accept is just so stupid.

[MOBIUS]

Arrian,

Maybe if you actually practised what you preach for a change...?

I'm not going to start trading insults with you because judging by your last several posts concerning me, you've dug a big enough hole for yourself...

Basically at the same time as sticking the knife in for a few posts, you do nothing to disagree with anything that I have said - in fact you yourself said that you agree with me.

Then you say:

Originally posted by Arrian

Tsk, tsk. Better to point 'em out and leave it at that, then to respond and stoop down. But that's just my opinion.

-Arrian

Might I suggest a little more consistency in your posts...?

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
You're absolutely right. We should apologize, return Saddam Hussein to power, and leave forthwith.

Don't put words into my mouth, I know you're better than that...

No, the US and UK are stuck there and have to finish the job as I have stated before - it would just be helpful if the US in particular actually stopped what appears like doing absolutely everything in their power to make things worse on a daily basis...

[Tripledoc]

Saying that the Coalitition should stay Iraq because they created the mess is like saying to a man that he should sink into the quicksand , because he was foolish enough to walk into it.

It was not the invasion which created the supposed animisity between Sunni' and Shi'a, so the Coalition cannot be held responsible for an eventual civil war between them.

I think it is very arrogant by Western politicians to think that it is only the presence of the Coalition which prevents Iraq from falling apart.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

Sure, you just let them know that "Hey, you can turn that Mosque into a headquarters and shoot at us from it, and we'll let you, cuz we're the nice guys."

No wonder the UK has declined from being a major world power to being the lapdog of one.

Which is probably why the 'overwhelming firepower' has fanned the flames of the uprising and caused the deaths of 42 US soldiers, whereas as the UK's 'softly softly' approach has avoided confrontation and resulted in the deaths of 0 UK soldiers...

Funny, I thought overwhelming firepower meant less of your soldiers died in relation to your counterparts.

If you give them something to rebel against - they will!

Not a lot - certainly not more than we can also kill in short order.

That's what they thought in Vietnam wasn't it? No, I'm not comparing Iraq to Vietnam directly.

Just the fact that certain posters on this forum appear to have forgotten that despite the US's massive kill ratio, they were basically defeated by a peasant army.

I'm glad one bomb near a mosque has given you so much to get excited over.

Duh, what can we do to piss of the natives in two seconds flat...?

And in the hours it would take to accomplish this, the Iraqi insurgents would happily cooperate. And the Iraqi security troops would be in sufficient numbers and be sufficiently trained.

So you've had a year to train them, oh but I forgot you sacked the entire army and can't trust them enough to equip them properly...

Point is, the US said it was going to take Falluja apart and guess what, it's more difficult than they thought because they have unnecessarily stirred up a hornet's nest by taking a hammer to crack a nut - oh look now they're losing lots of men, now they decide to negotiate by demanding the surrender of the insurgents, their arms and those that killed the contractors.

To which the heavily outnumbered and completely surrounded insurgents have called for the pilots responsible for the attack on the mosque and the generals in charge to be surrendered to them.

The mightiest army in the world forced to negotiate by a ragtag band of irate civilians...

The word 'Nuts' comes to mind, a month or so earlier and the 82nd airborne might've appreciated that particular irony...

Or they could have done nothing, because in your world, you ask people nicely and that's it.

Well in Basra, Sadr's men occupied some govt offices and UK troops cordoned the area off but didn't attack. after negotiations between them, the Islamic parties and the governing council, the occupation ended...

Basra, currently has been relatively quiet - in fact the worst thing that has happened there lately was the protests when the Israelis killed Yassin.

Yep, not inciting the local populace by killing them and having none of your soldiers killed is definitely the wrong way to do things...

You've never seen the US go in for overkill or be particularly brutal.

OK, I'll call it inappropriate use of force just for you...

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Saying that the Coalitition should stay Iraq because they created the mess is like saying to a man that he should sink into the quicksand , because he was foolish enough to walk into it.

Oh come on, since destroying the authority in Iraq we have an obligation to stick around until a sufficiently strong new one is in place to take over - otherwise you are leaving a dangerous power vacuum and the ones with the guns will take over... Leaving is not an option!

It was not the invasion which created the supposed animisity between Sunni' and Shi'a, so the Coalition cannot be held responsible for an eventual civil war between them.

So you're saying let them get on with it!!? Do you care more about the US and UK looking like a laughing stock than the possibility of a bloody civil war in Iraq???

We can't let that happen - we have to stay and fix things. The question is whether we run roughshod over the local populace and pissing them off like the US appears to be intent on doing, or whether we actually do things properly by trying to understand the needs of the Iraqi people and try and cooperate with them to rebuild their country...

I think it is very arrogant by Western politicians to think that it is only the presence of the Coalition which prevents Iraq from falling apart.

And I think you are living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise, the way things currently are...

[Uncle Sparky]

first double post in years !