The US must stay the course in Iraq

[Sava]

Originally posted by DataAeolus
Americans were there on the behalf of the South Vietnamese government. Basically they just packed up their bags and told the South Vietnamese government "You're on your own now, buddy."

yea, which is why the US assassinated the democratically elected leader in favor of supporting a right-wing US friendly regime....

Americans were not expelled, they left of their own will.

you sure have a warped view of history... do you drink before you post online?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DataAeolus
Americans were not expelled, they left of their own will.

By that logic you could say that Britain didn't lose the American War of Independence.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
yea, which is why the US assassinated the democratically elected leader in favor of supporting a right-wing US friendly regime....

What democratically elected leader?

[Barinthus]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


By that logic you could say that Britain didn't lose the American War of Independence.

Sava, no. I sometimes toke up like you although.

Che, I'm sorry but I fail to see your point. In the Revolutionary War, the war was directed at the British. In the Vietnam War, the enemy was the South Vietnamese government. The Americans were there to provide the support to the said government. Due to various factors, the American public support eroded and the troops just left, leaving the ARVN to fight on their own.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


What democratically elected leader?

sava must think Diem was democratically elected.

[GePap]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


IOW, what the thread starter posted about(IE the current situation) isnt something youre interested in, so you chose to change the subject.

Wow, Poly is really getting to you.

The current situation brings to the fore the fact that the occupation has yet to deal with any of the underlying problems: The Diplomat calls for "staying the course", well, the course has done zip to make a dent on many of the underlying porblems, so how the hell is staying the course a good thing?

No, I stayed on topic.

[Defiant]

Originally posted by GePap


Wow, Poly is really getting to you.

The current situation brings to the fore the fact that the occupation has yet to deal with any of the underlying problems: The Diplomat calls for "staying the course", well, the course has done zip to make a dent on many of the underlying porblems, so how the hell is staying the course a good thing?

No, I stayed on topic.

I really get tired of people saying we have done nothing there yet. The engineers are literally rebuilding Iraq from scratch, that wasn't preceived(just how bad it was).
Was it Oredin? that was the Apolytoner that was sent to Iraq, he said there is no sewage system, the power stations, water plants, everything has degraded to such a low ability to work everything has to be replaced. Not to mention how outdated and damaged the oil rigs are. Considering the drastic changes that have to be accomplished I think our guys are doing an excellent job. Most of you want overnight success and accomplishments, that is not possible or feasible, lets be a little realistic.

[GePap]

Rebuilding the economy has little to do with fixing the fundamental problems of Iraq, specifically, the disenfranchised Shi'ites now thirsting for power, the ex-leader Sunni's nervous about a future out of power, and the Kurds having to decide between sticking with Iraq or going for an independent Kurdistan.

And besides, unemployment in Iraq is a bigger issue than the oil rigs, and that remains very high. Too many idle hands.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

GePap expects the hearts and minds to be won over night. As evidenced here at 'poly people are so very maleable in their beliefs, this clearly is an obtainable objective.

[Defiant]

Originally posted by GePap
Rebuilding the economy has little to do with fixing the fundamental problems of Iraq, specifically, the disenfranchised Shi'ites now thirsting for power, the ex-leader Sunni's nervous about a future out of power, and the Kurds having to decide between sticking with Iraq or going for an independent Kurdistan.

And besides, unemployment in Iraq is a bigger issue than the oil rigs, and that remains very high. Too many idle hands.

No I agree those are problems also, but if you can at least take a crap in the light and it stays consistent maybe we can get people a little less likely to join morons like al-sadr because things are working at home and yes we need to help get more jobs there.
But to say we have done nothing is no more than doom&gloom rhetoric.

[chequita guevara]

So what if the Kurds do decide to secede?

[Defiant]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
So what if the Kurds do decide to secede?

First the US won't let them, at least not right away, can't afford to piss off Turkey. Just because they decide to break away from Iraq doesn't mean they are safe, they are probably better off stay within Iraq and under the US's guard, what true military do they have to protect themselves?

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
GePap expects the hearts and minds to be won over night. As evidenced here at 'poly people are so very maleable in their beliefs, this clearly is an obtainable objective.

No, I don;t expect them to be won immidiately. In fact, I think the US would have to remain in control of Iraq for at least 3 years, and that we should double the number of forces there, and more than double the direct investment into the country.

We are doing this on the cheap and on the fly. Sadly the democracts won't do much better. At least, giving the UN a greater mandate alliviates slightly some of the porblems of this politically and ideologically driven effort by the amdin.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Defiant
But to say we have done nothing is no more than doom&gloom rhetoric.

Imagine that.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Defiant
First the US won't let them, at least not right away, can't afford to piss off Turkey. Just because they decide to break away from Iraq doesn't mean they are safe, they are probably better off stay within Iraq and under the US's guard, what true military do they have to protect themselves?

The U.S. would likely be politically forced to do something since they are right there. Having fought a war in Kosovo to "prevent genocide" and against Iraq to defen the right of small nations to exist, I don't see how the U.S. could stand by an let the Turks invade. They should do it on July 4th.