If it was it'd be a personal ethics issue not a political one.
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Rights are only a political issue in as far as they've got a bearing on the relative power of groups in society. All politics is about redistributing power.Världsstad - Dom lokala genrenas vän
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Geez. "Source" my arse. Try common sense. It's not even possible for infants to be self-aware. When they first come out, they can barely see, their infamiliarity with their own bodies essentially cripples their sense of touch, and they have absolutely no experience with varying conditions that would let them comprehend the concept of sensory data as a clue to the larger world. They're used to sounds diffused by amniotic fluid, the dim and murky light of the womb, the walls of a placenta, and not having to do a single thing to exist. They have no meaningful environment to interact with and learn from until they come out, whereupon they are thrust into chaos. How, from that input, are they supposed to derive the existence of the self? Cogito ergo sum?
The mind needs stimuli to develop in any way; even abstract imagination has to use components of experienced phenomena in unusual combinations, as in mythological creatures composed of several normal animal parts, or sci-fi writers who posit insectoid races with hive minds. Infants have no stimulus to work with until they emerge. With no concept of "other," how exactly are they going to understand the idea "me?" You're arguing an absurdity if you think that's possible. Don't ask me to prove to you that grass is green. Prove that it isn't. Sorry, but I get kinda touchy about people accusing me of Bald Assertions for not citing an NIH study to support the painfully obvious.
And a diploid cell is "human" because it has the full set of genes needed. While species are defined in terms of other things besides chromosome count, human cells with an unusual number of chromosomes are not viable as independent humans. The exception is Klinefelter's syndrome, which is caused by extra sex chromosomes. People with Klinefelter's can live, but they're androgynous, frequently retarded, and are sterile. I'm not saying they aren't human, only that 46 chromosomes appears to be the norm for human life, and a sperm cell is definitely not a full human being.
And I said nothing about souls, only that humanity is best defined only as itself. It's no business of the law what has a soul and what doesn't, though I oppose cloning for any reason as an assault on human rights. Human rights can't be "proven," but I err on the side of caution.
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Abort, whenever it is not malformation, rape or extreme poverty, is murderI will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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I think Data was stating that poverty is one of the legitimate justifications in his opinion, because a mother would not be able to afford caring for the delivery and then the care of the child.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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I understand that full well, thank you. But when it comes to determining that an act is legally murder, what does income level have to do with determining something to be morally right or wrong? I can't think of any other situation by which income level is considered a mitigating circumstance. It's absurd.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Elok: A fetus experiences stimuli while in the womb.
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§ 100 In contrast to the foetal sensory neurons, the foetal motor neurons hypofunction. Thus, when foetal limbic neurons are excited by rejecting womb stimuli and this excitation is transmitted to motor neurons, the latter react very little or not at all. Consequently, the excitation is 'stored' within the neurons. The Sessions show that this 'stored excitation' constitutes a permanent source of potential internal stimuli which, when reactivated, result in extremely strong 'activation' (see R10 p.41).
Scientists in Holland say that babies develop short and long-term memories while still in the womb.
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Cathelijne van Heteren, who carried out the study at the University Hospital in Maastricht, said: "From our study we can conclude that foetuses have a short-term memory of at least ten minutes and a long-term memory of at least 24 hours.
"Foetuses are able to memorise the stimuli in the womb, although they may need more than one stimulus to establish recognition."
That being said, you completely ignored the bulk of my questions. Instead, you've simply asserted or reasserted your expertise in a variety of fields in an attempt to avoid having to give any tangible support to your position, and reiterated your tautological "humans are different from other animals because other animals aren't human" justification for the existence of human rights. I don't see any point to my continuing to bash my head against a wall.<p style="font-size:1024px">HTML is disabled in signatures</p>
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And yet you're "bashing your head against the wall" right now? I said nothing about expertise, only that my own experiences indicate that children aren't aware at that age. Looking back, I seem to have implied that I "knew" about experiences in the womb; sorry for giving that impression. If you want to be pedantic, it was merely a thought experiment.
And I said meaningful stimulus in the natural environment. Quite possibly an infant who is bombarded frequently by sonic pulsations in utero will become aware, but that is hardly ordinary. A child in the womb probably does not hear anything more than muffled sounds and sees little. I'm not arguing against biological capability, only that "self-awareness" comes from experiences that infants in the womb don't have. Hence they have "the cognitive function of a gerbil" for all intents and purposes, to repeat those ill-fated words.
Claro? Oh, and what questions haven't I answered? I said nothing of the "tautology" you cite; I said that the importance of humanity is something more than brain function alone. What it is, I don't know and hardly care. Perhaps there isn't anything clear at all, and we must only look out for our own species, in which case any explanation will do as an excuse.
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I just read that second study you offered more carefully, and decided to try a followup experiment. I shot a guy with a tranquilizer dart, stripped him naked, stuck him in a cage and started poking him in the butt with a pointy stick in increasingly frequent intervals. At first, he needed multiple pokings before he responded by twitching his leg. Over time, however, he apparently learned to recognize the stimulus, and responded to it in more meaningful ways, twitching almost instantly when he was touched and even turning the spot where I was poking him red and bleeding a little to show me he got the message. It appears that not only fetuses, but unconscious adults, are capable of learning!
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With the proposed legislation in South Dakota, how are cases of Ectopic pregnancy to be considered?The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland
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