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  • #31
    In fact, it's not so much an issue of whether abortion's should be legal - the issue is that the courts took a stance that far surpassed most of the laws in the country. This meant that instead of popular opinon gradually moving toward a consensus (even if each state was different) we have a polarized issue that probably won't be decided for a very long time.


    I agree with this sentiment. I wonder what it would have looked like if there was gradual change on the issue.
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    • #32
      I just don't understand why the unborn offspring of endangered species are protected, but not a human fetus.

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      • #33
        Fine, the potential offspring of endangered species should not be protected until it is actually born and becomes a member of the endangered species. Happy?
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        • #34
          Well that would at least be consistent so I bet he'd approve .
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          • #35
            Women are of the inferior gender, and thus, women have no rights that United States law is bound to respect.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
              I agree with this sentiment. I wonder what it would have looked like if there was gradual change on the issue.
              It would be totally illegal in 38+ states probably.
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              • #37
                So conservatives will kill a criminal, but not something whose actual status of life can not be proven?
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by chegitz guevara


                  It would be totally illegal in 38+ states probably.
                  Oh bull**** che. It's this type of idiotic banter that serves to poison debates like the one Imran was trying to start. Anyway your statement flies in the face of the trends in state legistlatures in the years before Roe.
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                  • #39
                    SO his number is a little bit off, but I think it would be legal in a couple states. Oregon maybe?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bipolarbear
                      SO his number is a little bit off, but I think it would be legal in a couple states. Oregon maybe?
                      In the five years before the court suddenly discovered in the constitution a virtually unlimited right to abortion, 16 states, with 41 percent of the nation's population — including then-Governor Reagan's California — liberalized their abortion laws. The state legislatures were doing what legislatures are supposed to do in a democracy: They were debating and revising laws to reflect changing community thinking.

                      The Court decided to change that by telling the people to sit down, shut up, and end the abortion deabte. It only served to needlessly radicalize the deabte and diminish American democracy.
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                      • #41
                        I agree. It seems that Southern states have a penchant for anti-abortion legislation spouting stuff like "Respect all life", "Choose life", etc but they are the same states that are the first to execute ppl.

                        Hypocrisy at it's finest.

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                        • #42
                          the State of South Dakota has a compelling and paramount interest in the preservation and protection of all human life and finds that the guarantee of due process of law under the South Dakota Bill of Rights applies equally to born and unborn human beings
                          Umm...due process was not about how private citizens interact with each other or with the unborn, it's about how private citizens interact with the state when charged with a crime. Due process could only apply if the state was aborting the unborn...

                          The bill includes no exception for rape or incest victims, but does allow an exception for the life of the mother and for a pregnancy that poses a “serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function” to the mother.
                          So if someone threatens me with bodily harm if I don't kill you, killing you becomes justified? If abortion is murder, then it can't be justified. But if a fertilized egg is a human being with the same right to life as everyone else, will the state prosecute women who have spontaneous abortions? I mean, sure, it's "an act of god", but won't there have to be investigations to make sure the abortion wasn't induced by humans?

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                          • #43
                            This bill makes me so happy to have spent three years of my life there!
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                            • #44
                              for the effort. This is the one case where conservatives have a real point about "activist judges."
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                              • #45
                                Re: South Dakota is introducing a bill that will ban abortion

                                Originally posted by boann
                                ... that the life of a human being begins when the ovum is fertilized by male sperm
                                [Before I say anything at all, let me state for the record, that I am pro-abortion (in the appropriate circumstances)]

                                Boann: when would you define human life to begin? Would you be pro or anti abortions performed after this date?

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