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  • #76
    The judge needs to recuse himself from the case. If this were coming from the anti-abortion side of the case the tone and word-choice would be expected, but to have it come from a judge whose job it is is to be neutral and unbiased...




    Yes, because if someone on the other side had just as pointed questions, you'd be calling for the same thing.

    Sorry, he's an Appellate Court Judge. He's allowed to ask these questions and this would NEVER be cause for recusal. If this would be, then no judge would ever be able to rule on abortion.
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    • #77
      Sandra Day O'Connor would shoot this thing down in a second.




      O'Connor wrote part of the opinion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which allows the federal government to place restrictions on abortion (such as 24 hour waiting periods, parental notification) and the banning of abortion after 'viability' was upheld. From all that I've seen O'Connor believes abortion should be banned after viability in the 3rd trimester.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by Lincoln
        Maybe we should rip the arms and legs from your body and see if you make a reference to amoeba's to justify your pain.
        You admitted defeat then, as you offered no counterargument to my rebuttal. Might as well, as your original argument is completely fallacious.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
          Sorry, he's an Appellate Court Judge. He's allowed to ask these questions and this would NEVER be cause for recusal. If this would be, then no judge would ever be able to rule on abortion.
          Mr Judge appears in urgent need of a refresher course in biology.
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          • #80
            For record: I am pro-choice.

            BUT:

            Humans have one of the longest gestation periods (9 months) of any animal, and if it weren't for the fact that if the baby stayed in any longer it wouldn't fit thru the birth canal, we'd probably have a gestation period of more like 14 months. This is a fact.

            What this means is that the human fetus is actually alot more mature and cogniscent of their surroundings than you might think. Picture the view from inside the whom, we think of it as being pitch black, but it actually resembles something like a sun room (so their visual skills are developing, AND they develop a concept of night and day - the most basic cosmology of any culture), at least during the day... just like when you put a flashlight against your hand it lights it up. Also, more importantly, babies can hear from inside the whom... we've known this for a while, but what we now know is that the socialization process begins before birth w/ more than just the mother but everyone who the mother has interacted with while pregnant. This is why its so important to speak calmly around pregnant mothers. Also, a babies brain will respond most favorably towards developing the language skills for the language which was spoken by the mother and/or father... because of conditioning during gestation. Blah Blah Blah. The point is, babies begin the learning process LONG before they are born. Its not like someone hits the "on" switch when its born and it suddenly starts living and learning.

            I am pro-choice because I believe it is a woman's decision whether or not she wants an 8 pound object shoved through her birth canal - NOT because I believe the fetus is any "less human" than a born baby as biological fact simply doesn't support this.

            I think other pro-choicers ought to make this disctinction as well.
            Last edited by JimmyCracksCorn; April 4, 2004, 15:46.

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            • #81
              Humans have one of the longest gestation periods (9 months) of any animal
              No, they don't. Horses have usually a longer one, for example.

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              • #82
                He said "one of", didn't he?

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                • #83
                  The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                  The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                    Yes, because if someone on the other side had just as pointed questions, you'd be calling for the same thing.

                    Sorry, he's an Appellate Court Judge. He's allowed to ask these questions and this would NEVER be cause for recusal. If this would be, then no judge would ever be able to rule on abortion.
                    Yes, I would. But how exactly would "the other side" use highly biased and inappropriate language? Remember, the issue here is the judge in the case using this language, not attourneys. Attourneys/lawyers are SUPPOSED to be biased for their side of the case...the judge isn't.
                    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                    • #85
                      But how exactly would "the other side" use highly biased and inappropriate language?


                      Look at some of the pro-abortion zealots on this side. They could call the anti-abortion people extremists, imply mysogyny etc, etc.

                      Attourneys/lawyers are SUPPOSED to be biased for their side of the case...the judge isn't.


                      Why do you think there is always contention over who gets the pick the judges? You CAN'T be that naive, can you?
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                      • #86
                        "This procedure can in theory be performed right up to the time the fetus would deliver normally"

                        OMG! I had no idea this was the case!

                        My position is based on 'detectable brain activity'.

                        Why do things have rights= because of sentience, not biology.

                        If a fetus is in the late stages of pregnancy where there is little difference between a baby then abortion is wrong.

                        The article is not clear on what stage of pregnancy these procedures cover.
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                        • #87
                          A friend of mine was raised Catholic as a young boy.

                          When he was around 8, his mother was having a difficult childbirth.

                          The priest was on hand, and gave clear instructions to the doctor.

                          The child is innocent before God, and therefore more deserving of life. If you can only save one, save the child.

                          My friends father forcibly removed the priest from the scene, redirected the doctor, and removed the family from the Catholic Cult.

                          So what exactly are the motives of the fundies when analyzing the whole "late term abortion" debate?
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                          • #88
                            By the way, my friend mother survived, but they lost the baby. Saving the baby would have killed his mother.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by The Mad Viking
                              The priest was on hand, and gave clear instructions to the doctor.

                              The child is innocent before God, and therefore more deserving of life. If you can only save one, save the child.
                              *******

                              Your friend did well
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by The Mad Viking
                                A friend of mine was raised Catholic as a young boy.

                                When he was around 8, his mother was having a difficult childbirth.

                                The priest was on hand, and gave clear instructions to the doctor.

                                The child is innocent before God, and therefore more deserving of life. If you can only save one, save the child.

                                My friends father forcibly removed the priest from the scene, redirected the doctor, and removed the family from the Catholic Cult.

                                So what exactly are the motives of the fundies when analyzing the whole "late term abortion" debate?
                                That's odd - that priest was diametrically opposite the Catholic Church's postion on the issue.

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