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  • #91
    Here's an amusing consequence of the hippy paranoid mindset infecting people who can't well afford it:

    World Food Program says Angola's government plans to outlaw imports of genetically modified cereals, imperiling United Nations effort to feed nearly two million hungry Angolans, most of them former war refugees; United States provides more than three-quarters of United Nations aid to Angola, most of it genetically modified corn and other crops that apparently would be barred under new rules; Angola follows Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Mozambique in refusing foreign donations of certain genetically modified foods despite widespread malnutrition and even starvation among their citizens; US accuses these governments of placing political and theoretical concerns above survival of their own people; in Angola, international relief donations are dwindling because government is widely perceived as deeply corrupt (M)


    Angola's Plan to Turn Away Altered Food Imperils Aid
    By MICHAEL WINES

    Published: March 30, 2004

    JOHANNESBURG, March 29 — A United Nations effort to feed nearly two million hungry Angolans, most of them former war refugees, is imperiled because Angola's government plans to outlaw imports of genetically modified cereals, officials of the World Food Program here said Monday.


    Most food assistance from the United States, which at last count provided more than three-quarters of United Nations aid to Angola, consists of genetically modified corn and other crops that apparently would be barred under the new rules.

    That includes 19,000 tons of genetically modified American corn now bound for an Angolan port. The corn — roughly a month's supply for the United Nations feeding program in Angola — must be cleared for unloading by Wednesday, said Mike Sackett, the World Food Program's director for southern Africa.

    It remains unclear whether the new ban on genetically modified foods, issued March 17 but not yet formally put into effect, will prevent the unloading of the shipment, Mr. Sackett said.

    Angola follows four drought-stricken southern Africa nations — Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Mozambique — in refusing foreign donations of certain genetically modified foods despite widespread malnutrition and even starvation among their citizens.

    Zambia has barred genetically modified foods outright, saying their safety is unproven. Other nations, including Angola, are insisting that cereals and seeds be milled first so that they cannot germinate in local soils and therefore potentially alter the genetic makeup of local crops.

    The United States, which provides well over half the food aid in southern Africa and the vast bulk of genetically modified foods, has accused governments of placing political and theoretical concerns above the survival of their own people.

    Both the United Nations and the Americans have sidestepped the bans elsewhere by milling grains before they are delivered to needy nations, a costly process that reduces the amount of food donated.

    Angola's case is unusual, Mr. Sackett said Monday, because the suddenness of the government's prohibition leaves no time to mill grain intended for Angola before it is shipped. Mills are so scarce inside Angola that it would take 11 weeks, using every mill in the nation, just to grind the 19,000-ton shipment of American corn now under way.

    Furthermore, international relief donations to Angola are dwindling because the government is widely perceived as deeply corrupt — awash in oil revenues that it refuses to spend to feed its own people.

    Angola is second only to Nigeria among Africa's oil-producing states. But the watchdog group Human Rights Watch charged in January that from 1997 to 2002 alone, $4.2 billion in oil money — one-fourth of the total — was unaccounted for.

    The World Food Program feeds 1.9 million Angolans, or about one in eight. About 1.5 million of that total are former war refugees trying to resume their prewar lives.
    Last edited by Sikander; April 2, 2004, 09:14.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by MOBIUS




      Has it been proved to be completely 100% safe?
      No, but neither has posting inanities on the internet been proven 100% safe. You seem determined to be the first to fall to this hitherto unknown peril.
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      • #93
        The big losers in this will be British Farmers and British consumers.
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        • #94
          has anything ever been 100% proven not to be harmful?

          I doubt it since it is impossible to prove a negative.
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          • #95
            Has it been proven to be 90% harmful? 80%? 70%? 2%?

            Semantics are fun!
            Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

            Do It Ourselves

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              The big losers in this will be British Farmers and British consumers.
              How are the consumers the losers if they don't want it in the first place?

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Sir Ralph

                How are the consumers the losers if they don't want it in the first place?
                Some of them do want it as evidenced by the responces on this board. But they can't have it, and as a result everyone will end up paying more for food at the point of sale, or in third world destroying farm subsidies, or both.
                He's got the Midas touch.
                But he touched it too much!
                Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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                • #98
                  It's not illegal to buy and sell GM food hereabouts. It's only required to be labeled. So those who want it, can have it. The majority won't let it in their basket at free will, though.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Oerdin
                    has anything ever been 100% proven not to be harmful?

                    I doubt it since it is impossible to prove a negative.
                    Exactly.

                    None of the anti-GM posters have responded to my earlier point, that previous inventions we take for granted would have been banned under the current anti-scientific atmosphere.

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                    • Originally posted by General Ludd
                      Has it been proven to be 90% harmful? 80%? 70%? 2%?

                      Semantics are fun!
                      I believe you are deliberately missing the point. Certain people in this thread have demanded all GM crops be proven to be 100% nonharmful before any can be planted or used. This is impossible to do with anything and you know it.
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                      • Originally posted by Sir Ralph
                        How are the consumers the losers if they don't want it in the first place?
                        Just like all of those consumers who tell pollsters they hate McDonald's but then go ahead and buy Big Macs any way? I believe you will find lots and lots of people who will be willing to give these products a try. The difference between you and me is I trust them to make there own minds up and you are trying to prevent them from even having the choice.
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                        • How is the labelling request "prevent them from even having the choice"? Au contraire.

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                          • Originally posted by MOBIUS
                            I want to know my prime steak had a happy life gambolling around the fields munching on lush grass and not getting pumped full of Bovine Growth Hormones thank you very much!

                            I am happy to pay a premium for this...
                            That's great man and as a consumer I think you should have that choice. Now please explain how removing other consumers' rights to make a different choice is justified. Even if GM crops were on the market you would still be able to pay twice the price for "organic" food.

                            Other people have the right to make up their own minds about the quality, value, and wholesomness of GM food without luddites trying legislate their options for them.
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                            • Originally posted by Sir Ralph
                              How is the labelling request "prevent them from even having the choice"? Au contraire.
                              Going for the artful dodge by changing the subject, huh? Look at the thread title and then read Mobius's first post. The topic is not labelling the topic is how the UK government has effectively outlawed the planting of GM crops.

                              Wouldn't you agree that outlawing something curtails its availability?
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                              • Originally posted by Sir Ralph
                                How is the labelling request "prevent them from even having the choice"? Au contraire.
                                In principle, labelling is fine, where people are surrounded by a balanced debate. In practice in the UK though, you might as well write "Deadly Poison" on a label as Genetically Modified.

                                Raising fears about 'Frankenfood' is one of the favourite topics of scaremongering in the British media - where the scientific arguments (which extend into medicinal breakthroughs as well as agricultural-commercial) are completely ignored.

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