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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Think about who some of these companies are. Monsanto is the maker of Roundup.
Think about who some of these companies are. Monsanto is the maker of Roundup.
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Think who buys the seeds. Farmers. Pesticide resistent crops provide no benefit for them. Pest resistent crops however...I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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What is your point? There are far more engineered crops on the market with genes for pesticide resistance in them than there are with the Bt genes for producing their own pesticides. Besides which, I'm not sure that these toxins are deadly to all the pests and pathogens that thye need to be anyway, in which case the farmer uses pesticides as well anyway...Comment
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Me? I'm just hanging around in the vain hope that someone would answer VJ's points with something other than handwaving.Originally posted by Gibsie
What is your point?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Sure they do The farmer can then douse his fields with pesticides so that nothing besides his crop lives. Roundup-Ready Soybeans are a huge crop.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Think who buys the seeds. Farmers. Pesticide resistent crops provide no benefit for them.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Precisely why I don't want to be eating GM food manufactured by these guys - once bitten...Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Think about who some of these companies are. Monsanto is the maker of Roundup.
We live in an age where companies see no problem effectively turning cattle into cannibals by feeding them bonemeal made from cattle in the name of profit - the memory of BSE is still vivid in the minds of people in the UK...
I want to know my prime steak had a happy life gambolling around the fields munching on lush grass and not getting pumped full of Bovine Growth Hormones thank you very much!
I am happy to pay a premium for this...
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I still fail to see how. It costs them more money for something that would be more economical to tackle in another way.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Sure they do.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Pesticide resistant crops make the farmers' life a lot easier, decreasing the costs of operating the land. Pretty simple stuff there.
Any points in particular? I think all his points have been answered, although the answers do tend to be in the realm of opinion, for which I'm sure all those who disagree with your own opinions apologise unreservedly for having.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Me? I'm just hanging around in the vain hope that someone would answer VJ's points with something other than handwaving.Comment
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Originally posted by VJ
The were some basis for being against GM foods years back, when we didn't know if there were any negative consequences in consuming them.
Even that was pretty stupid - it's not really different from the hybrid stuff we've been doing since virtually the dawn of agriculture.Last edited by Kuciwalker; April 2, 2004, 01:10.Comment
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because PEOPLE ARE STUPIDOriginally posted by chegitz guevara
Did I say it would be a failure? When the government forbids milk producers from labeling their milk as BgH free because that implies there's something wrong with BgH you have to wonder. If it's not a problem, label it and let the American people decide. If you have to hide something from us, maybe it's not so great. I don't really like being experiemented on without my permission.
Anyway, haven't you wondered why there is so much growth in organic foods?Comment
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This has absoluting NOTHING to do with GM, and everything to do with the way agriculture has always worked since its invention. So stop whining.Originally posted by PeteH
The problem w/ cloned plants is the lack of diversity in defense mechanisms.Comment
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Which is what happens when you cross-pollinate two species... which has been done for centuriesOriginally posted by Urban Ranger
Yes. You're splicing genes that cannot be found naturally in these species into them.
Which is effectively what happens when you take a cutting from one plant and insert it into the stem of another species... which has been done for centuries
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skywalker.
I agree with your last 4 posts. We've been GMing since agriculture has existed.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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in general I am fine with GM foods and hormones and all that other stuff
I am not fine with corporations though
so roughly ~50% of my food intake is organic
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in actuality
what I dislike the most is hormones given to animals (for the dairy since I am a vegeterrian)
and all the **** that they put on plants
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Genetic modification is totally different from selective breeding. Selective breeding is a semi-random process that relies on random mutations and the interbreeding of closely related species. Genetic engineering involves adding, removing or replacing DNA in a controlled process under laboratory conditions. There is no limit to what DNA can be introduced, unlike selective breeding. Fish DNA can be spliced into strawberries, human DNA can be spliced into sheep. You cannot do that with selective breeding.
The argument that 'we've been doing it for thousands of years' is simply wrong.Comment
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