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  • #91
    Gaddafi is a terrorist plain and simple - he is responsible for terrorist attacks IN the UK!

    This guy is responsible for the deaths of 271 men, women and children in this country - that is MORE than the amount killed in Madrid a couple of weeks ago!

    He is also guilty of supporting the IRA, allowing them to kill yet more UK citizens!

    Iraq was invaded because it might strike at the UK in the future - Libya suceeded!!!

    As for the WMD, the west says it is satisfied that he has stopped all his WMD programmes - how can they be sure if they were so sure Iraq had WMD and couldn't f*cking find any!!?

    This is hypocrisy of the highest order, the West doesn't care about whether these people are terrorists, all it cares about is greasing the wheels of greed - which is why Shell completed a huge hydrocarbon fuels contract with Libya on the very same day that Tony Blair shook Gaddafi's hand!
    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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    • #92
      Giancarlo, I didn't attack you on personal level. And I said earlier on this thread, early on, that we should hear him out but not give him anything in exchange. By this I of course mean that we'd be paying for this information in any way. He can open up the country, for the benefit of the Libyan people. But we shouldn't get him anything for it personally, as in no deals in exchange for the information. And that we shouldn't ever consider him as an allie. These were my first points. And that if he refuses to give the info, then he is to be considered as an enemy, and that now he should be considered the bad guy who is just inactive these days.
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      • #93
        I think you should study international relations. Dealing with him is the way things are done. If he cooperates and gives more freedom to his people it will go forward. If not, this will not happen. Personally, you previously accused me of having the desire of dealing with a terrorist, well that I do take on a very personal level.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #94
          and we must all love the great leader...

          gadaffi is a good man now
          dictator, (ex?)-terrorist, guilty of 275 deaths and god knows how many more, ...

          musharaf is a good man now
          dictator, one of the few to recognise the taliban as the official governement of afghanistan, leader of the only fundamentalist country in the world that actually has WMD, exporting this technology to other sh!tholes ...

          pekka is right on this one. let him give everything he knows, let him open his country, let him give up his power, and then let him be tried for the murder of 275 people.

          and fez, why is what osama did so much worse than what gadaffi did ? because he attacked the us ? because your confortable little home was soiled ?
          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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          • #95
            Yes but I assumed you were for offering him money for it or some other benefits, because you seemed to have a problem with my suggestion that was just that no offers for him. And I said that it would be like bribing him if he would benefit like that from it. And I always said we should hear him out though and give him a chance to speak, but that even if he would give us ACCURATE information on many things that would turn out to have great outcomes, he shouldn't be thought as a saint, but a bastard who did something right at the end of his life.
            In da butt.
            "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
            THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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            • #96
              Originally posted by dannubis
              and we must all love the great leader...

              gadaffi is a good man now
              dictator, (ex?)-terrorist, guilty of 275 deaths and god knows how many more, ...

              musharaf is a good man now
              dictator, one of the few to recognise the taliban as the official governement of afghanistan, leader of the only fundamentalist country in the world that actually has WMD, exporting this technology to other sh!tholes ...

              pekka is right on this one. let him give everything he knows, let him open his country, let him give up his power, and then let him be tried for the murder of 275 people.

              and fez, why is what osama did so much worse than what gadaffi did ? because he attacked the us ? because your confortable little home was soiled ?
              Please, mr moron provide new arguments. Gadafi did a lot of bad. But if we get him to come clean that is better than having him go off on the Kim Jong Il road.. but of course communists like you want that for your political agenda in criticizing George W. Bush. By the way Musharraf is not fundamentalist... he is a stablizing factor in the country and overthrew a completely corrupt government. There is still corruption and most inquires have found scientists selling the technology without the Pakistani governments notice.

              And learn how to spell. What the hell does this mean: "because your confortable little home was soiled ?"

              No offense but some of you are really full of yourselves. Bah.. who cares what you think anyways. Not like you can direct anything in this world.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #97
                And because of this assumption, that I thought you said my way to deal with it is unreasonable, I thought you mean to give him benefits for negotiating. This is why I brought up the whole thing with if he is a terrorist or not after paying money for it. Because if so, we'd be actually negotiating with a terrorist and offering him benefits for telling what he should be telling us anyway making him withheld information from us and supporting the terrorist right now, or if he's not a terrorist anymore, then I wanted to know why a terrorist can pay money and get that label to go away.
                In da butt.
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                • #98
                  I don't advocate giving him anything until there are results. Not just mere negotiating. Don't even try to twist my words on this, especially when it comes to Gadafi. If he truly wants something good for his people, he can open up the country for investment and pass on leaving at least one good thing he did.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #99
                    yeah I didn't exclude this option of opening his country up. It would be green light, but I was just saying we shouldn't give him personally anything. If he wants to do something good for his country, he should be able to do that for sure.

                    I don't think we should give him anything even if the results are good. This doesn't exclude not welcoming his choice of opening up the country.
                    In da butt.
                    "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                    THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
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                    • #100
                      you're the one who says it's ok to negotiate with him....
                      but you would never negotiate with terrorst wouldn't you.

                      so check your definition of a terrorist, birdbrain
                      "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by dannubis
                        you're the one who says it's ok to negotiate with him....
                        but you would never negotiate with terrorst wouldn't you.

                        so check your definition of a terrorist, birdbrain
                        Why don't you go bash your head into a wall, peanut brain? Maybe whatever is messed up can get fixed.

                        "I don't think we should give him anything even if the results are good. This doesn't exclude not welcoming his choice of opening up the country."

                        Foreign Direct Investment is giving him something.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #102
                          But if he REALLY wants to help his country, he would say everything he knows and step down from power.
                          In da butt.
                          "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                          THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                          "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Pekka
                            But if he REALLY wants to help his country, he would say everything he knows and step down from power.
                            Why don't you go ask him to then?
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #104
                              Sure. If I'd be given the authority to do that with the proper entourage, sure no problem. But since that's not happening in real life, the opportunity to that, it doesn't matter what would happen.

                              But you agree, that this option would be best for Libya?
                              In da butt.
                              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by Pekka
                                But you agree, that this option would be best for Libya?
                                I am not sure who would replace Gadafi. I'm not sure it would be the best option.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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