Richard Clarke: Bush Admin Negligent in Antiterrorism

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by SpencerH
such as?

Lets just stoke the fires a little (and yes I'm serious)

Being caught with thier pants down wrt nuke testing by India and Pakistan.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon
Che. If Bush does get re-elected fairly will you take it as evidence that democracy is dead and that it's time for armed revolt.

So if someone you dislike is elected to a position you think they shouldn't hold, you believe that it is time to wage war on the populace that elected him? And you're the one mourning the death of democracy?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Its only democracy if he says it is.

[GePap]

Originally posted by SpencerH
I dont have time to read it in depth just now. Just skim reading, I've spotted enough outright lies in the text to figure which way it goes though.

Hey. like when I read the Boortz piece-only Blumenthal's piece is better writen and seemingly researched as well.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So if someone you dislike is elected to a position you think they shouldn't hold, you believe that it is time to wage war on the populace that elected him? And you're the one mourning the death of democracy?

Don't misrepresent me. If this corrupt, lying, incompetent bunch get re-elected, then it would show that democracy doesn't work.

The facts are that they are bent, are liars, and are incompetent. That much is obvious.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Agathon


Don't misrepresent me.

I'm not misrepresenting you or your views. That's exactly what you said.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by GePap


Hey. like when I read the Boortz piece-only Blumenthal's piece is better writen and seemingly researched as well.

In fairness Boortz doesn't represent himself as a serious journalist more of an entertainer with salient insight.

Besides he pwns Blumenthal.

[GePap]

:yawn:

[Agathon]

You guys are a joke. You lost this debate a long time ago. The lefties have been proved right time and time again, and yet you still bleat on as if nothing has happened.

Do you live in a cave or something?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Nope in a Democracy where we get to express our oh so correct opinion.

[DinoDoc]

Agathon doesn't believe in democracy.

[Agathon]

Not if it doesn't work. Look at the Bush record.

1. A completely irresponsible fiscal policy. It's customary that if you are going to cut taxes, that you make sure that you cut spending or find some other way to pay for it - rather than just sitting with a finger up your arse hoping it will work itself out.

2. A war based on lies that has cost the US most of its "soft power" (badly needed to fight terrorism) and mired it in a farcical situation in Iraq.

3. An idiotic and pugnacious unilateralist policy with regard to things like Kyoto and the Landmine treaty when a softer approach would probably have been better for the US in the long term (another "soft power" issue). There are ways and means to get your own way that are less damaging than riding into down firing off a pair of six shooters.

4. Pointless and irresponsible public threats issued against North Korea and Iran, which appear to have served no useful purpose other than to antagonize those regimes and other affected parties.

5. A lassez-faire attitude towards the Israel/Palestine conflict, which is the most inflammatory issue w/regard to the causes of terrorism. Bush has made Clinton's spotty record in this area look like the work of a Metternich or a Castlereagh.

6. The worst job creation record in US history allied with a belated and weak response to an egregious corporate crime spree.

7. All you former friends (except Israel) hate you.

It's like some terrible cartoon for God's sake.

You don't have to be a radical communist to object to this, as rumblings from traditional conservatives show. Look, I didn't like Bush senior, but I respected him as a politician and a diplomat - same goes for Clinton. But this lot are irresponsible and incompetent. I remember watching Bush senior address the world before Gulf War I. In my opinion that was largely a BS war, but I could not but help admire the skill and patience with which Bush rallied people to his cause. Junior's idea is to throw a tantrum if other countries disagree.

After GWI Bush could visit any number of Western countries and receive a warm welcome. Clinton was idolized when he came to NZ. Bush can't come to Canada because half the country would turn out to boo him and his last visit to Britain was a stage managed farce.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Being caught with thier pants down wrt nuke testing by India and Pakistan.

Sorry, I dont know what you're referring to.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by GePap


Hey. like when I read the Boortz piece-only Blumenthal's piece is better writen and seemingly researched as well.

I havent read the Boortz piece. In a place far far away and a time long gone I learned that if a pundit said the sky was blue I'd go outside to take a look. No one is more cynical on these issues than I.

MY wife wants this PC so I dont have time to blitz the Blumenthal piece now :whipped:

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Agathon
Not if it doesn't work. Look at the Bush record.

1. A completely irresponsible fiscal policy. It's customary that if you are going to cut taxes, that you make sure that you cut spending or find some other way to pay for it - rather than just sitting with a finger up your arse hoping it will work itself out.

2. A war based on lies that has cost the US most of its "soft power" (badly needed to fight terrorism) and mired it in a farcical situation in Iraq.

3. An idiotic and pugnacious unilateralist policy with regard to things like Kyoto and the Landmine treaty when a softer approach would probably have been better for the US in the long term (another "soft power" issue). There are ways and means to get your own way that are less damaging than riding into down firing off a pair of six shooters.

4. Pointless and irresponsible public threats issued against North Korea and Iran, which appear to have served no useful purpose other than to antagonize those regimes and other affected parties.

5. A lassez-faire attitude towards the Israel/Palestine conflict, which is the most inflammatory issue w/regard to the causes of terrorism. Bush has made Clinton's spotty record in this area look like the work of a Metternich or a Castlereagh.

6. The worst job creation record in US history allied with a belated and weak response to an egregious corporate crime spree.

7. All you former friends (except Israel) hate you.

It's like some terrible cartoon for God's sake.

You don't have to be a radical communist to object to this, as rumblings from traditional conservatives show. Look, I didn't like Bush senior, but I respected him as a politician and a diplomat - same goes for Clinton. But this lot are irresponsible and incompetent. I remember watching Bush senior address the world before Gulf War I. In my opinion that was largely a BS war, but I could not but help admire the skill and patience with which Bush rallied people to his cause. Junior's idea is to throw a tantrum if other countries disagree.

After GWI Bush could visit any number of Western countries and receive a warm welcome. Clinton was idolized when he came to NZ. Bush can't come to Canada because half the country would turn out to boo him and his last visit to Britain was a stage managed farce.

P-r-o-v-e I-t. For once prove what you are saying, this typical bull**** won't cut it.