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Ah, the scent of irony is thick in the proverbial air.
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the good reverend -
I expected this from Fez, but some of the rest of you conservatives, I'm actually suprized at.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I want to see Richard Clarke in jail for perjury, that is all.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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That's incredibly hypothetical and not even .5% likely.Originally posted by Whaleboy
Giancarlo: Hypothetical situation... what would you do if Kerry wins?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Excellent analysis from Kaplan:
I have no doubt that Richard Clarke, the former National Security Council official who has launched a broadside against President Bush's counterterrorism policies, is telling the truth about every single charge. There are three reasons for this confidence.
First, his basic accusations are consistent with tales told by other officials, including some who had no significant dealings with Clarke.
Second, the White House's attempts at rebuttal have been extremely weak and contradictory. If Clarke were wrong, one would expect the comebacks—especially from Bush's aides, who excel at the counterstrike—to be stronger and more substantive.
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Third, I went to graduate school with Clarke in the late 1970s, at MIT's political science department, and called him as an occasional source in the mid-'80s when he was in the State Department and I was a newspaper reporter. There were good things and dubious things about Clarke, traits that inspired both admiration and leeriness. The former: He was very smart, a highly skilled (and utterly nonpartisan) analyst, and he knew how to get things done in a calcified bureaucracy. The latter: He was arrogant, made no effort to disguise his contempt for those who disagreed with him, and blatantly maneuvered around all obstacles to make sure his views got through.
The key thing, though, is this: Both sets of traits tell me he's too shrewd to write or say anything in public that might be decisively refuted. As Daniel Benjamin, another terrorism specialist who worked alongside Clarke in the Clinton White House, put it in a phone conversation today, "Dick did not survive and flourish in the bureaucracy all those years by leaving himself open to attack."
Clarke did suffer one setback in his 30-year career in high office, though he doesn't mention it in his book. James Baker, the first President Bush's secretary of state, fired Clarke from his position as director of the department's politico-military bureau. (Bush's NSC director, Brent Scowcroft, hired him almost instantly.) I doubt we'll be hearing from Baker on this episode: He fired Clarke for being too close to Israel—not a point the Bush family's political savior is likely to make in an election season. (For details on this unwritten chapter and on why Clarke hasn't talked to me for over 15 years, click here.)"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How is he telling the truth when evidence points to the contradictions in his testimony? Something tells me that article is full of bull****.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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What evidence?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Do you even bother looking at any of the articles the conservatives post here?Originally posted by Ramo
What evidence?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Link a few of 'em. I'll read 'em and tell you what I honestly think. I don't doubt there are smart conservatives, here and out there, and maybe they're right about Clarke -- I just haven't heard their case.
Wanna throw some articles my way?the good reverendComment
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Look through the pages of this thread. I am not going through 8 pages right now.Originally posted by rev
Link a few of 'em. I'll read 'em and tell you what I honestly think. I don't doubt there are smart conservatives, here and out there, and maybe they're right about Clarke -- I just haven't heard their case.
Wanna throw some articles my way?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Ouch!So if someone you dislike is elected to a position you think they shouldn't hold, you believe that it is time to wage war on the populace that elected him? And you're the one mourning the death of democracy?
Me neither, just took Aggie a bit longer to see the truth.Agathon doesn't believe in democracy.
Agathon -Aren't you a communist?Not if it doesn't work.
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You mean the Boortz article? As has been pointed out, he was working for the Bush Administration. If he were critical, he'd get fired."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Try watching the news for a change.Originally posted by Giancarlo
P-r-o-v-e I-t. For once prove what you are saying, this typical bull**** won't cut it.Only feebs vote.Comment
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TheLeftWingBull****Site doesn't count as news.Originally posted by Agathon
Try watching the news for a change.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Originally posted by Fez
You guys are a joke. You lost this debate a long time ago. The righties have been proved right time and time again, and yet you still bleat on as if nothing has happened.
Do you live in a cave or something?
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