Do you believe the Islamist terrorists' goal is to conquer the world?

[PLATO]

Talk?

AQ: We want you all dead!

US: No.

AQ: We want you out of ME so we can opress the people!

US: No.

AQ: We want you to abandon Israel so that we may slaughter the zionist pigs!

US: No. Would you consider a compromise on any of this?

AQ: No.

Talk over. Satisfied?

[Giancarlo]

And this is my talk:

Giancarlo: You will surrender. Put down your guns now

OBL: No

Giancarlo: Well f**k you then.

*pulls out 9MM to cap Bin Laden in the head*

Giancarlo: I made you surrender

Those are successful talks.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
And this is my talk:

Giancarlo: You will surrender. Put down your guns now

OBL: No

Giancarlo: Well f**k you then.

*pulls out 9MM to cap Bin Laden in the head*

Giancarlo: I made you surrender

Those are successful talks.

"Agressive negotiation" ??

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by GePap


You haven't given any line that says "we will conquer the world". Twice you psoted a line saying "kill Aericans anywere"..OK, since Americans make up 5% of the world people, and all Muslims about 16.6%, what about the other 78% of the world? Were is the line against the 20% of the world that is Chinese?

Sorry, but I have this crazy notion of actually looking at how they act (you now, the line about put up or shut up, or the lines about actions as opposed to words.)

The differences between the war on terror and Vietnam are so incredibly vast that noone could even begin to list them in the space provided here.

Yes, you are right-one was a real war-the other is an annoying rhetorical flourish.

While I hate to do this, lets get a grip on perspective here folks- 25,000 people or LESS have been killed by Islamist terrorism outside of Algeria (a nice civil war situation of it's own) since 1990..which means islamist terrorism is down the line in terms of people being killed for political reasons. If people in the Rich states get all worked up abou it, its becuase it is the one form of political violence that hits them-much like how much more is made about a airplane accidents as opposed to the far greater amount of people that die from Car crashes.

The huge majority of the 25000 people kill in Algeria where in fact murder by their own non-Islamist government which cancel than election the Islamist would have won by than landslide. Then that government blame the Islamist for the murder the government did. Than still no election where held today.

[Pax]

PLATO,
Your argument makes it seem like the U.S. as a group was an innocent bystander just minding it's business. It makes it seem as if AQ's agression was unprovoked. While, I am on the U.S.A's side in all conflicts and will fight and kill for the U.S. flag I still say that their was provocation even if you don't agree with it or even you don't understand it. Similar to Pearl Harbor, there was provocation. It may not be readily apparent to you but it's there. Specifically, the provocation was western presence in the middle east. You may think that the U.S. has every right to have a military base on foreign soil. Some Saudi Arabians do not. While I do not agree with the desire of AQ, I understand that if I were fighting a group with superior arms I would not hesitate to use suicide bombers. If I believe my cause to be just and that I am being oppressed everyone on the other side is fair game. The only way I could fault AQ for their tactics is if they had the same equipment we have which they don't.

Giancarlo,
Your supposed fantasy gunplay talk OSL is a joke.
You have stated you don't have the conviction of your words to take matters in your own hands.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
Other than to say that this chicken is one of the ones fighting while you the hawk are not I have no more comments.

You know may-be it about time America form than homosexual military unit so a certain Hawk on this treat can join it to fight the war on Islam.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus

Giancarlo,
Your supposed fantasy gunplay talk OSL is a joke.
You have stated you don't have the conviction of your words to take matters in your own hands.

No offense you're an idiot. I want to do something for the nation that I would be useful for. Like other government service. Certainly I would take part of the negoigation team and shoot Bin Laden straight in the head. Doesn't involve much?

[Urban Ranger]

Shooting bin Laden in the head during a negotiation is so stupid that this proposed action needs a new classification.

[DinoDoc]

I agree. More useful to just take him alive to someplace safe for a more private conversation.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
PLATO,
Your argument makes it seem like the U.S. as a group was an innocent bystander just minding it's business. It makes it seem as if AQ's agression was unprovoked. While, I am on the U.S.A's side in all conflicts and will fight and kill for the U.S. flag I still say that their was provocation even if you don't agree with it or even you don't understand it. Similar to Pearl Harbor, there was provocation. It may not be readily apparent to you but it's there. Specifically, the provocation was western presence in the middle east. You may think that the U.S. has every right to have a military base on foreign soil. Some Saudi Arabians do not. While I do not agree with the desire of AQ, I understand that if I were fighting a group with superior arms I would not hesitate to use suicide bombers. If I believe my cause to be just and that I am being oppressed everyone on the other side is fair game. The only way I could fault AQ for their tactics is if they had the same equipment we have which they don't.

You are really saying that the murder of innocent people in New York is an acceptable tactic to use?

Please name for me the countries in the Middle East where we have a presence (other than Iraq) where we were not invited by the legal governments.

Did it ever occur to you that peaceful redress of the government in power will eventually bring change if the people support it?

How can you, with a straight face, attempt to justify what al-Qaeda is doing to the world?

You still say there was provocation? That's just incredibly naive. Furthermore, I feel very well versed on all the events that have led up to this time wrt al-Qaeda. Your posts continually show a wishful thinking view of the world. The reality is that these people have an agenda to bring themselves to power and we are an obstacle to it. And don't be naive enough to say that their brand of leadership would be the desire of the people. It is an attempted power grab that affects the national interest of nearly every major nation in the world. For God's sake...you don't even see the "talk 'til your blue in the face" French proposing something this stupid.

[Pax]

I am full of wishful thinking. I like to think of myself as idealistic. I consider those compliments. I see nothing wrong with wanting the world to be a certain way.

As far as AQ, or any other group with ideals different from my own. I see it as just that. These groups actively recruit like minded individuals to their cause. They present a point of view that is strong enouigh to convince a person to give up their life in that cause. You can't deny that. Just because their ideals are alien to you does not make it right or wrong in my book.

I can tell you with a straight face that if I were a commander of a group that was at a disadvantage I would do everything in my power to even the odds. I have no pretense that there is such a thing as honor when it comes to killing. I have read history and I know that wars are not pretty and under the idealistic reasons(good vs evil) there is rarely ever any real moral authority.

The reasonings behind the current conflict with the Muslim world goes back over a thousand years. It boils down to me that it's a lack of tolerance on both sides. I state that this has to be changed not through further killing but a shift in attitudes on both sides

You may think that AQ and other groups just sprang up without rhyme or reason that is your choice and maybe it helps you justify your viewpoints.

I also stated that the only actions that are really of concern to the U.S. are the actions taken that effect the U.S. such as 9/11 and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole. Of course the U.S. should and will defend itself agaisnt acts of aggression. The U.S. involvement does not come from some desire to save anyone. Only to protect american interests. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm positive that the U.S. government is really more concerned about the safety of it's citizens, government and corporate assets abroad than whether women are being beaten in Afghanistan or whether there are gas attacks in Iraq. If I am wrong something would have been done about both situations over a decade ago. It being the case that my stupid idiotic ass of a person is right, I wish those far smarter than me would stop spouting propaganda as if they've been brainwashed into believing something that is obviously not true.

[Giancarlo]

You are nothing but hopeless. I am just tired of your crap and your non-stop ranting. You just rant, rant, rant and rant without any logical reasoning. You speak from your heart. Not that is a bad thing... it is something good to base some things you say from your mind.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
I am just tired of your crap and your non-stop ranting. You just rant, rant, rant and rant without any logical reasoning.

You're a kidder, Fez.

[Pax]

I'm so sorry I'll do my best not to rant and only speak logically. Please tell me what I should be thinking?

[Giancarlo]

Speak from your mind and heart, not just your heart. I almost got into a fight with a good friend that way. And I am being honest here.