Al Qaeda calls a truce

[Bereta_Eder]

Same thing

[Az]

You thought wrong.

[Pax]

Actually, there are very few countries that were colonized that are in good shape. That are almost none that can compete with U.S., Europe, and Japan.

What came first the chicken or the egg. I think imperialism resulted in Nationalism and Religous extremism on the part of people whose culture was under attack.

You said it was not possible for elites to control the governments in this day and age. It is and they are. You also stated that the wars between Germany and France were do to elites controlling the government. Are you saying that the same is true here?

Of Israel's internal policies that I know of their are none that I agree with. SO what? I'm not a citizen. What should and does concern me is when Israel projects power outside of it's borders to say launch and attack into a neighboring sovereign country. This disturbs me greatly. The same with AQ.

Japan had an isolationist policy most of it's existence. My impression is that a conscious decision was made to reverse that to prevent what happened in China from happening to Japan. Japan being a country poor in resources set out to secure those resources which was in direct conflict with the Western world need to have those same resources. Thus we have a conflict.

[Az]

Sadly, I cannot continue this argument today, since I have a terrible allergy. see you folks tomorrow.

[Bereta_Eder]

ok get well soon, i have a thread for you where you can explain your views.

[Mercator]

Originally posted by Azazel
@ mercatore.

Originally posted by Azazel
sorry, a more serious reply. It's NOT the rich/poor divide that is what makes the muslims hate the west.

It's certainly part of it. And the whole Israel/Palestine thing and American presence in the ME. Al Qaeda just happens to be good at rallying the Muslim world by blaming everything that's wrong with them on the US/Israel.

Al-Qaeda is just the biggest symptom in the rise of islamic extremism.

Yes, but extremism always happens in reaction to something else, a perceived threat (real or not). Islamic extremism isn't happening because Muslims are stupid or inherently more intolerant/violent, whatever. Or why do you think Islamic extremism is on the rise?

Edit: Well, paiktis' new thread seems to cover my last question nicely.

[blackice]

Actually Canada is in every peace keeping duty, Afgan and Iraq, so what european country can boost the same?

We did not agree with the war but offered support to our allies because of terrorism and they are our friends...Period.

Seems like in the past some of these countries will simply wish it away. So much for allies, they say it is not our war, they say if we give in they will not attack us, just our allies...

Your all heros, live with it...

[Pax]

It's good to have a friend like that!!!!

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'll split the difference.
Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister)
Russian troops out of Chechnya
You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts
We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state
You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor
We give you back control of your resources
You agree to sale it a reasonable rates
And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

Az is 100% right. Al Queda says no deal... what do you do next?

He is playing fair, because that is EXACTLY what they will say. I mean, you really can't negotiate with this group, because their goals are so far reaching with no room for compromise.

[Az]

I'll reply to this in paitkis' thread, since its' the same question.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


kinda like the US not really caring about fighting terrorism, until 911, right?

Kinda like Europe not caring about fighting terrorism until Madrid, right?

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
If you are going to play, then play fair.
First of all, you don't know that there's no deal.
I knew that you were just going to say no deal.

I understand your point but your example was ridiculous and a total setup. You couldn't have expected anybody to take it seriously.

Excellent strawman capabilities though.

[Az]

Yes, but extremism always happens in reaction to something else, a perceived threat (real or not). Islamic extremism isn't happening because Muslims are stupid or inherently more intolerant/violent, whatever. Or why do you think Islamic extremism is on the rise?

Islamic extremism is on the rise because it's the only ideology available on the market since noone bothers seriously advancing another one.

It's not as if conditions worsened since the 50s, 60s and 70s in the arab world, when nationalism was the game.

[Qilue]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
Actually, there are very few countries that were colonized that are in good shape. That are almost none that can compete with U.S., Europe, and Japan.

What came first the chicken or the egg. I think imperialism resulted in Nationalism and Religous extremism on the part of people whose culture was under attack.

You said it was not possible for elites to control the governments in this day and age. It is and they are. You also stated that the wars between Germany and France were do to elites controlling the government. Are you saying that the same is true here?

Of Israel's internal policies that I know of their are none that I agree with. SO what? I'm not a citizen. What should and does concern me is when Israel projects power outside of it's borders to say launch and attack into a neighboring sovereign country. This disturbs me greatly. The same with AQ.

Japan had an isolationist policy most of it's existence. My impression is that a conscious decision was made to reverse that to prevent what happened in China from happening to Japan. Japan being a country poor in resources set out to secure those resources which was in direct conflict with the Western world need to have those same resources. Thus we have a conflict.

Referencing the part italicized after noting flag under avatar.

Afganistan
Iraq
Grenada
Panama
Libya

Just to name a few of the known incidents of the last few decades.

[Ramo]

I vote for the extermination of muslim fundies. I hoped you'd do the same.

Not every Islamist is a terrorist. Why, exactly, should these people be exterminated (I presume you mean through violence)?