Al Qaeda calls a truce

[Az]

Israel was never a side to the Hudna, anyway.

[yaroslav]

We're not going to believe this sh*t. Truce from terrorist groups are not but tactials diversion to grow even more. We saw it with ETA's true, with Hamas' hudna, so we're not going to trust this sh*t.

[Pax]

It's foolish to think of AQ as simply terorists. Propaganda really. They are an organization with goals. One of their goals was U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia. That did not mean invade another middle eastern country and place your troops there. While we don't necesarrily have to take the truce at face value the only way to end this war on terrorism is to a) capitulate b) negotiate or c) kill all the muslims in the world who would fight for their way of life. The obvious answer to me is to come to an agreement with the muslims that would be satisfactory to all. It's said that one of the key causes of WW2 was the Versailles treaty being unfair towards the Germans. If anything we should learn that road to peace is held together by both parties being satisfied with the arrangements. The muslims feel that the situation to date is unfair towards them in their own homes.

The same goes for Hamas and Israel. Israel has proven that it can carry out military operations even in the heart of syria yet that's not going to stop the average palestian from a suicide bombing. The only way to do this is to take away the desire or at least change it.

Of course, a lot of muslims believe that their best solution is the destruction of western society starting in Israel and movine west. Well, can you really blame them given the track record of imperialism and broken promises. Still, that public opinion on the "arab street" is what needs to be changed. Similar, to racial prejudice and bias of the past and present. We have come to a place were a violent answer will not work. Clearly, it's a time for real not gunboat diplomacy.

[Az]

Ok, Pax, I'll play the role of Al-Qaeda:

"
Our demands are:
-Western Troops out of the Middle East.
-Russian Troops out of Chechniya.
-Destruction of Israel.
-Creation of a great muslim state in all countries with muslim populations.
"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Spiffor

No, it refers to the European people, who were overwhelmingly against the war, save for the British.

The Brits were overwhelmingly against the war also.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Azazel
Ok, Pax, I'll play the role of Al-Qaeda:

"
Our demands are:
-Western Troops out of the Middle East.
-Russian Troops out of Chechniya.
-Destruction of Israel.
-Creation of a great muslim state in all countries with muslim populations.
"

Okay,
I'll split the difference.
Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister)
Russian troops out of Chechnya
You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts
We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state
You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor
We give you back control of your resources
You agree to sale it a reasonable rates
And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

[Saint Marcus]

I'll split the difference.
Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister)
Russian troops out of Chechnya
You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts
We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state
You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor
We give you back control of your resources
You agree to sale it a reasonable rates
And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

[Az]

Okay,
I'll split the difference.
Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister)
Russian troops out of Chechnya
You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts
We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state
You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor
We give you back control of your resources
You agree to sale it a reasonable rates
And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

No deal. what happens next?

[Saint Marcus]

No deal. what happens next?

It's easier to negotiate with Muslim fundamentalists, than with Israel's Likud party.

[Pax]

If you are going to play, then play fair.
First of all, you don't know that there's no deal.
I knew that you were just going to say no deal.
It's the exact type of attitude I'm telling you has to be changed on both sides. Refer back to WW1. Both sides had come to a conclusion that war was inevitable and the other side was intolerable. Specifically, France and Germany. Today these countries are able to live side by side in peace. It was not always this way. We have to work to change political and public opinion on both sides.

The statement of truce concerning Spain shows that they are willing to say more than no deal. Even if they are lying, this is a step towards dialogue.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Japher
They Can Go around killing innocent people, your people, and your going to just let them get away with it!!!!?

No they won't - they will just kill Americans.

If the Spanish government can prevent the deaths of its citizens by pulling out of Iraq, doesn't it have a moral obligation to do so?

[DinoDoc]

The main point is that it won't. Unless of course you happen to believe that the Spanish troops in Afghanistan only gives Al-Qaeda feelings of sweetness and light for the Spanish people.

Hell we now have attack threats against France over thier ban on religious clothing.

[Az]

If you are going to play, then play fair.
First of all, you don't know that there's no deal.
I knew that you were just going to say no deal.

Nah. It makes sense: Why would I agree to this deal, If I can get a better one, as it seems from your words? You said that the west can capitulate, kill all muslims, or negotiate. The first two are unacceptable, So I can demand a whole lot more.

[Pax]

what reason would AQ have not to attack france or any other country that has policies it does not like. right now they have nothing to lose.
Point give them a reason to make peace.
It's misconception that they are terrrorists and they whole purpose is to terrorize. They are people with ideas just like you and me. They have needs and desires. We need to sit down and talk

[DinoDoc]

You watch too much Dr. Phil.