Why Government Grows

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Re: Re: Why Government Grows

Originally posted by St Leo


It's also a load of bull.

Other than counter attacking, Bush I see no refutation of the charges with factual info.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Berz how about this as an option,

Instead of the 2000-3000 minimum we instead consider a weighted voting system.

You pay $200 in taxes you get 200 votes. You pay $20000 you get 20000 votes.

[Kuciwalker]

Re: Why Government Grows

Originally posted by Berzerker Allowing only people who pay a minimum of $2000 - $3000 in income taxes every year to vote.

Probably unconstitutional - it's basically a poll tax.

Plus it's utterly stupid - they could model the taxes so that only they would EVER get to vote.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sandman
The first thing the wealthy people would vote for would be a return to one person, one vote.

I doubt that.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Umm...that's kind of the point, the people spending it don't view it as other people's property and that's why they are so profligate. So the answer is to allow the rightful owners of that money to set the tax rate thru voting.

There's no rightful owner. Or rather, the rightful owner of all tax money is the government.

Originally posted by Berzerker
You want to support a drug war, pay for it with your own money. I often hear people who oppose abortion decry having to pay for them and I agree.

So abortions have absolutely no medical purpose at all?

[chequita guevara]

The rightful owner of the tax money are the citizens, not the government. The government owns nothing. It just manages our collective property.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Point is at this point in time the citizenry own it but allow a broken representative governement to steward it. Berz wants to redefine that ownership to those who actually pay and/or fix the problem with our stewards.

That means some people are more equal than others, because they have more say in things.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The rightful owner of the tax money are the citizens, not the government. The government owns nothing. It just manages our collective property.

Suuuuure .

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That means some people are more equal than others, because they have more say in things.

Yes

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The rightful owner of the tax money are the citizens, not the government. The government owns nothing. It just manages our collective property.

I don't think that's right. If the citizens own the money, why can't somebody say, "Hm, I want my money back now?" Since that is not allowed to happen, I will have to say that the government (or rather, the country) owns the money.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Yes

I see that Libertarians are against democracy. TheBen is right, they should be called Libertyrants.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


That means some people are more equal than others, because they have more say in things.

This differs in what way from today. Do you actually think people have an equal say today?

[Kidlicious]

Libertarians don't give a crap about anything, but thier property. It's shamefull.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I don't think that's right. If the citizens own the money, why can't somebody say, "Hm, I want my money back now?"

Because we own it collectiely, not individually. My taxes belong to everyone, just as much as their taxes belong to me. Since it belongs to all of us, we have to decide together (through our government) what to do with it.

Realistically, as our government is beholden to the powerful, most of us don't have a lot of say, but potentially we do.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


This differs in what way from today. Do you actually think people have an equal say today?

No sense in codifying it.