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Or do you think the Repugs stole Georgia from Max Clelend?
Is that the only rebuttal you lefties can come up with?
Sure, polls are wrong once in a blue moon, but the odds are that the Spanish polls were correct and the PP was on course to win the Spanish elections before the Al Qaeda bombing.
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them now that they aren't supporting America. Such a response does nothing to place more pressure on Al Qaeda and certainly doesn't have the potential to harm Al Qaeda that a democratic Iraq does.
Any reason why you say that Spain's just going to hunker down? From Zapatero's statement, it looks like he'll committ for more resources in terms of taking on al-Qaeda.
Al-Qaeda has goals far wider than attacking countries that support the US in Iraq. Turkey nor Indonesia were occupying Iraq.
As for a Democratic Iraq, this sort of thing will pressure Shrub into opening up the governance of Iraq more and/or not handling Iraq so ineptly, making a Democratic Iraq more probable.
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Sure, polls are wrong once in a blue moon, but the odds are that the Spanish polls were correct and the PP was on course to win the Spanish elections before the Al Qaeda bombing.
But you have to see that it was PP themselves who botched the handling of the all matter. A government should never lie to its people. Even if it now looked like a victory for terrorists, the blame should only be placed on the PP's politicians.
You have just implicitly stated that al-qaeda caused the election results.
I'll give you the example I gave Drake: we've withdrawn from Saudi Arabia since 9/11, so does that mean it was a victory for al-Qaeda?
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Dude, I posted that article in another thread like two days ago...
Yep, and I reposted it, and Oliver either posted it or one very similar.
The problem is, it's inconvenient and getting in the way of their black=white newspeak, so they're doing their darndest to ignore it and hope it goes away.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
The problem is, it's inconvenient and getting in the way of their black=white newspeak, so they're doing their darndest to ignore it and hope it goes away.
Obviously.
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Originally posted by Ramo
I'll give you the example I gave Drake: we've withdrawn from Saudi Arabia since 9/11, so does that mean it was a victory for al-Qaeda?
I certainly do not agree with the way the Bush has fought the war on terror, but at least he has not made the appearance of giving in to terrorism, which to me is the worst mistake you can make. It really doesn't matter that we aren't in SA, because al-Qaeda has not broken the political will of this country to bring them to justice.
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I certainly do not agree with the way the Bush has fought the war on terror, but at least he has not made the appearance of giving in to terrorism, which to me is the worst mistake you can make. It really doesn't matter that we aren't in SA, because al-Qaeda has not broken the political will of this country to bring them to justice.
Why do you believe that al-Qaeda has broken Spain's political will to bring them to justice?
Yes, but don't be quick to assign the loser.
So you're saying that al-Qaeda "winning" can be a good thing too? Then why are you *****ing about this "terror has won" bs?
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I made a long case some moths ago, stating the many reasons that, combined, made the attack on Iraq wishable for the admin.
War on Terror was one of these elements, in that making Iraq a nice oil-producing poodle would allow to pressure Saudi Arabia (so, a very indirect relationship with terrorism, but an existing one nonetheless).
Bottom line was however that Bush didn't tolerate the cracks in the "new world order", and decided to whack a harmless and loathable regime to impress all those who'd want to play smartass with him.
In short, real reasons = power politics.
Saddam was not just "some" dictator. He was a man with a long history who had to go. Congress passed a resolution to that effect in 1998. Clinton did nothing about it. Bush did.
No, I'm saying Saudi is the loser for not getting their act together. It's a tactical victory for Al-Queda, because they acheive one of their stated goals, but it's bad for them strategically, because it allows us to work more directly against Al-Queda and Saudi.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
We also waited a while after 9/11 to withdraw our troops from Saudi, so it's hard for Al Qaeda to claim victory in that case. We obviously pulled out our troops of our own accord, not in response to Al Qaeda attacks.
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