Socialist claim victory in Spain

[Bereta_Eder]

Mobius, outstanding welsh

[The Templar]

Originally posted by DanS


Then you've reading comprehension problems (not surprising to me, really), because I didn't say that.

My reading comprehension is fine - you have a short term memory problem or you are a liar.

You wrote:

This guy is a goddamn idiot. The possibility of this happening is zero (sovereignty is going back to the Iraqis in June, after all ), so he's just grandstanding and giving AQ more fodder. Spain can pull it's troops out, but doing it this way is handing a victory to AQ.

[Drake Tungsten]

The sooner you get it into your head that there is no western alliance the better...

You're probably right, which is disheartening. I was hoping Europe and America would get back together after the pre-Iraq war blow-up, but it appears that we are drifting farther and farther apart. Not good for either continent, or the world.

[Bereta_Eder]

Europe is not crazy like the US.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by MOBIUS



Now I've gone and written a long post and wasted 15 mins of my life...

Who cares the bigger crime is you wasted 5 minutes of mine.

[DanS]

My reading comprehension is fine

Yeh, whatever. To restate, Spain can pull out its troops no problem. But having the prime minister-elect make a big show of doing so, and proposing a manner of doing so that make no sense, hands a huge PR victory to AQ. It's criminal political stupidity. He's writing AQ's press releases.

[jomateix]

(Simplified)

Fact: Aznar is bad, mad and crap.
Deduction: Everything else could be good.
Result: Aznar is out now.

[Sava]

America increased it's security in response to terrorism... so more security means AL QAEDA WINS!

[Sava]

Originally posted by DanS


Yeh, whatever. To restate, Spain can pull out its troops no problem. But having the prime minister-elect make a big show of doing so, and proposing a manner of doing so that make no sense, hands a huge PR victory to AQ. It's criminal political stupidity. He's writing AQ's press releases.

So the Spaniards should continue to support a flawed and unjust war JUST to make sure AQ doesn't think it's bombings made a difference.

[Sava]

I'm gonna go throw rocks at a hornet's nest... but if I get stung, I have to keep throwing rocks JUST to let the hornet's know they won't win.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

The sooner you get it into your head that there is no western alliance the better...

You're probably right, which is disheartening. I was hoping Europe and America would get back together after the pre-Iraq war blow-up, but it appears that we are drifting farther and farther apart. Not good for either continent, or the world.

Going into Afghanistan was a necessary evil - AQ had to be rooted out...

Iraq was too far. In fact the most damaging thing is that by allowing ourselves to be distracted, many pacifists worldwide will try and stop any action either in Iraq where we are stuck AND against AQ...

If Spain does remove its troops, will it then stop supporting the effort against AQ for fear of further reprisals? THAT is the true danger!

AQ was the no.1 enemy - they attacked US assets around the world including 9/11, not Saddam...

Saddam was NOTHING! We had him contained - he had no WMDs.

AQ has always been the enemy, but by going after Saddam we have in my view made the fight against AQ that much harder...

THIS is what we could have done with ALL that money and manpower:

US sends special forces into north Africa

Working with governments around the world to root out terrorism wherever it rears its ugly head. Keep them on the back foot, pay bribes etc for info (isn't that how we nabbed Saddam?), generally make life unhealthy for them 24/7 - I reckon $87bn could go a long way spent in this manner...

GAH! More time wasted on Poly - for shame!

[Drake Tungsten]

America increased it's security in response to terrorism... so more security means AL QAEDA WINS!

Nice work, Sava. I was this close to posting a serious response to it before I realized who posted it...

[Sava]

Nice work, Sava. I was this close to posting a serious response to it before I realized who posted it...

Hopefully you are starting to understand what I feel like when I read some of the DUMB things in this thread. Only, I'm dumb on purpose.

[jomateix]

Sorry, but why not negotiation with Al-Qaeda? Realpolitik is the main force now that the US crashed UN force. Is sad, but is what should be done IMHO.

[Drake Tungsten]

Only, I'm dumb on purpose.

Only now am I beginning to understand your genius...