Heavy terr act in Madrid II

[jasev]

Second, "people" are angry because they are looking for any error of the government to blame them, no matter if they have to use the 200 victims for that. The truth is that all of them thougt the same (which can be told by their words "oh no! now PP will have absolute majority!) but now they are saying they wouldn´t.

Maybe if Acebes didn't have lied to the people in the first place we wouldn't be so angry. He told us the explosives and detonators used were the same ETA normally use. FALSE. He told us there was no other possibility than ETA did it. FALSE. He said it was ETA's modus operandi. FALSE. He told us, when all the world knew that Al-Queda was responsible, that ETA was the primary suspicious...

And meanwhile, our foreign affairs minister ordered our ambassadors to lie all around the world. We forced a condemn by the UN security council that blamed ETA, though nobody knew how the Government could be so sure.

We're angry because our government lied us and the whole world. Now everybody knows what for a government we have, and I don't know if I feel more ashamed or angry. And they did it because they didn't want we to know the real cause of 200 deaths.

Quoting you, they want to win the election, and

no matter if they have to use the 200 victims for that

[Dr. Nick]

Go Zapatero!

[BeBMan]

Just curious, when are first results expected from the elections?

[Spiffor]

I'd imagine on 20:00. It is generally the standard time to close polling booths.

[jasev]

At 20:00, the press will publish the last opinion polls (it's forbidden to publish a poll from last tuesday until the polling booths are closed). I think we'll have about 25% of the votes counted at 21:00, and almost all votes at 24:00

[Spiffor]

Nice avatar, Jasev

[BeBMan]

Thx Jasev

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by jasev
Typical. When you don't know whom to blame, let's blame PSOE. What a pity Felipe González has retired, you could have blamed him

Isn´t that what you do? To blame PP and Aznar for everything? That´s typical of the left. To accuse the other side of what they do...

I just said that if PS* was as democratic as they pretend to be, they would have told the demonstrators to stop, instead of "understanding" them...

[Dr Strangelove]

Originally posted by jasev
At 20:00, the press will publish the last opinion polls (it's forbidden to publish a poll from last tuesday until the polling booths are closed). I think we'll have about 25% of the votes counted at 21:00, and almost all votes at 24:00

Would 20:00 in Spain be 16:00 or 17:00 in the Eastern Time Zone of the US?

BTW Goya was one of the greats of European art, but IIRC in that picture the troops firing on the peasants are French.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Would 20:00 in Spain be 16:00 or 17:00 in the Eastern Time Zone of the US?

14:00 EST

And I know for Goya's Tres de Mayo, but it is a great piece nonetheless

[Fake Boris]

How can a demonstration be ILLEGAL?

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by jasev


Maybe if Acebes didn't have lied to the people in the first place we wouldn't be so angry.

False. You were angry from the begining. You just were looking for a reason to justify it.

He told us, when all the world knew that Al-Queda was responsible, that ETA was the primary suspicious...

You can say what you want. But logic tells to think about ETA. Only after discovering new clues you can think about something else. Following your logic it could have been any terrorist group. Why not? Of course, enlighted leftist knew from the beginning who were the ones who put the bomb.

And even if it was Al-Qaeda, that doesn´t change the fact that ETA tried to do it a few weeks ago (oh yes, now you are going to tell me that Acebes also lied about that).

We forced a condemn by the UN security council that blamed ETA

ETA was and is a dangerous terrorist groups. Well... at least it was before 11-M. Know for some people they are very nice people who make parties for children and plant nice trees.

And they did it because they didn't want we to know the real cause of 200 deaths.

And what's "the real cause of deaths"? Let´s suppose the bomb were put by Al-Qaeda. Who put the bomb? Who detonate them? Was Aznar! Was the PP? No! The terrorists were! Oh yes, you are about to tell me that this is because something that happened in Irak, wich will probe that Al-Qaeda had a relationship with Irak after all...

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
How can a demonstration be ILLEGAL?

By going against the law?

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by OliverFA
You can say what you want. But logic tells to think about ETA.

Logics never pointed in the direction of the ETA. The ETA's goal is not to kill civilians, but official.s

Only after discovering new clues you can think about something else.

And before having any you shut up, and don't play upon a tragedy for the sake of political gain.

Following your logic it could have been any terrorist group. Why not? Of course, enlighted leftist knew from the beginning who were the ones who put the bomb.

Enlightened leftists were suspicious of Aznar's accusations in the first place, and especially because they had a strange way of confirming the validity of his anti ETA policy.

And even if it was Al-Qaeda, that doesn´t change the fact that ETA tried to do it a few weeks ago (oh yes, now you are going to tell me that Acebes also lied about that).

We don't know what they were going to do with these explosives. BTW, I am highly suspicious of anything seized by the police when it involves politics. Back in the 70s, the Canadian police planted bombs and claimed that Quebec separatists did.

And what's "the real cause of deaths"? Let´s suppose the bomb were put by Al-Qaeda. Who put the bomb? Who detonate them? Was Aznar! Was the PP? No! The terrorists were! Oh yes, you are about to tell me that this is because something that happened in Irak, wich will probe that Al-Qaeda had a relationship with Irak after all...

Of course, everyone who reacts to the conquest of Iraq had ties with Saddam Hussein.

[mrmitchell]

If it was al-Queda...

Has al-Qaeda ever targeted Spain before?