Woman charged with murder for refusing C-section

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


IIRC, a woman could only have 2 c-sections without significant risks to herself. If this is true, the persecution shouldn't have a leg to stand on.

I've had three and came through just fine with no complications. One I had an epidural, one I was completely put to sleep and the last one an epidural again. Was awake for two of my births.

[Urban Ranger]

Thanks

[Tiamat]

Can't always go by me Urban....I'm not as they say normal

[Q Classic]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8181792.htm

apparently she's endangered children before.

[Q Classic]

The woman charged with killing one of her twins by refusing a Caesarean section was convicted of child endangerment in Pittsburgh nearly four years ago, a newspaper reported Saturday.

The 2000 conviction of Melissa Rowland stemmed from a supermarket incident in which she punched her daughter several times in the face after the toddler picked up a candy bar and began eating it, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported. Witnesses said Rowland screamed, "You ate the candy bar and now I can't buy my cigarettes."

wow. i reiterate my position. the fact that people like this exist and still breed is a great tragedy and a disservice to our entire human race.

[Agathon]

Moronic white trash should not be allowed to have children, or sex for that matter.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Tiamat


I've had three and came through just fine with no complications. One I had an epidural, one I was completely put to sleep and the last one an epidural again. Was awake for two of my births.

You are luckly but you are no doctor. There are many factors than doctor must consider in make his opion the general health of the person, does she have hight blood pressure, weak heart, touble controling her blood sugar level, bad liver.

Haveing than bad liver increase your risk level of dieing on the operation table from 3 % to 30 % from the drug they give to put you under so they can operate on you. All drugs must go thought the liver on the way in and on the way out.

As than new muslim the Imam say I donot need the foreskin remove from my penis as my bad liver and diable( need to take pills to control blood suger level) make it too riskly for than adult.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Agathon
Moronic white trash should not be allowed to have children, or sex for that matter.

(also a bump - I want to see DF's response to my post )

[Drake Tungsten]

How can this woman be charged with any sort of crime? It's perfectly legal to purposefully kill your unborn child via abortion, so how in the hell do you justify punishing a woman for taking a risk on having her twins without a C-section?

[The Templar]

Several posts ago, I threw down the gauntlet and none of the pro-lifers around here cared to take it up. Again:

Name one position other than being anti-abortion that conservative pro-lifers take that for the benefit of fetuses? How about free pre-natal care? All of you are a bunch of hypocrites.

And how come all of you people who scream for individual liberties only seem to do so when property rights are involved. What could be more fundamental to individual liberty than refusing surgery or any other sort of medical procedure? Just more proof that what's going on here is a fetus serving as a Trojan horse, a cat's paw, to enforce male control over females - even women's bodies.

Frankly, I don't care how despicable this woman is (and I sure as hell am not going to take prosecutor's word here). If individual liberty is to be taken seriously, then freedom to refuse surgery is to be taken seriously. And if freedom to refuse surgery is to be taken seriously, then you will have to put up with the decisions you really don't like. Full stop.

Now, I've seen some conservative posters above since my last post. So let's hear it already - what other than attacking abortion rights - do you want to do for fetuses? Or are you just blind servats of patriarchy?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by The Templar
Name one position other than being anti-abortion that conservative pro-lifers take that for the benefit of fetuses? How about free pre-natal care? All of you are a bunch of hypocrites.

1. I'm not "ant-abortion", and I think this woman commited a crime, so your argument that all of us on this side of the argument are hypocrites is complete bull****.

2. Their idea isn't that we have to do everything possible to keep the baby alive, but rather you can't do anything specifically to kill the baby. If you assume the fetus has rights after a certain point, then their position is COMPLETELY CORRECT. They also extend it slightly to say you must take "reasonable measures" to save the fetus' life, which is completely consistent with other laws.

And how come all of you people who scream for individual liberties only seem to do so when property rights are involved. What could be more fundamental to individual liberty than refusing surgery or any other sort of medical procedure? Just more proof that what's going on here is a fetus serving as a Trojan horse, a cat's paw, to enforce male control over females - even women's bodies.

If the fetus is a person, then this is NOT INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES! Rather, this is one person doing something to another person. If you then assume that a c-section is a reasonable procedure when balanced with someone's life, then their position is again correct.

[Zulu Elephant]

If a doctor came up to you and said "If you dont let me cut you open and then sew you together again then Im gonna shoot that guy in the corner" you would be perfectly entitled to refuse the operation and let the guy in the corner die.

You'd be a bad person, but you wouldn't have your children taken away from you or be punished in some other way

[Q Classic]

if anything, i'm unconcerned right now about the legal issues surrounding this scenario.

i'm still just amazed that such people could exist.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
If a doctor came up to you and said "If you dont let me cut you open and then sew you together again then Im gonna shoot that guy in the corner" you would be perfectly entitled to refuse the operation and let the guy in the corner die.

You'd be a bad person, but you wouldn't have your children taken away from you or be punished in some other way

So? The other person is the one who is shooting the person, not you, so he's the one who gets in trouble.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kucinich
2. Their idea isn't that we have to do everything possible to keep the baby alive, but rather you can't do anything specifically to kill the baby.

Do note that this woman did nothing to kill the baby.