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The girl, who has been adopted, tested positive for cocaine and alcohol in her urine, according to court records. Rowland was charged with child endangerment on the basis of that test.
Okay...I can't even say what's going through my mind right now...
Mother Of Stillborn Child Tried To Get Her Baby Adopted
Mar. 12, 2004
Voice of: Brian Farley: "FORTUNATELY, I WAS SMART ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE THAT SHE'S PROBABLY PULLING A SCAM ON ME, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, MY HEART GOT INVOLVED IN THIS."
Brian Farley and his wife want to adopt a baby. They were hopeful, when they got a call from Melissa Rowland. He says she called him numerous times in the past 2 weeks, from the Salt Lake County Jail.
Voice of: Brian Farley: "SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS PREGNANT BUT SHE ALSO TOLD ME THAT SHE KNEW THE SEX WAS GOING TO BE A BOY AND SHE WAS ALREADY 2 DAYS LATE."
But what Farley didn't know, was Rowland wasn't pregnant. She had given birth to twins, one stillborn, in January. Yesterday, prosecutors charged her for the murder of the stillborn boy.
They say she rejected the advice of doctors at 3 different hospitals, who recommended a C-section to save the child. Farley heard the news, this morning.
Voice of: Brian Farley: "IT JUST SENDS CHILLS. MY WIFE IS IN CHILLS. WE'RE JUST SICK OVER THIS."
Farley says Rowland offered her child for adoption. In exchange, she asked him to get her out of jail.
Voice of: Brian Farley: "SHE BEGGED AND PLEADED FOR ME TO POST BOND FOR HER. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BE AN INMATE WHEN SHE GAVE BIRTH."
Farley refused because he thought Rowland was a flight risk. Still, he says, he had hope.
Voice of: Brian Farley: "AND I SAID, 'ARE YOU WILLING TO SIGN ADOPTION PAPERS WITH ME? IF YOU ARE, I'LL GET ON A PLANE AND FLY TO SALT LAKE AND SIT IN THE HOSPITAL WITH YOU.' AND SHE GOES, 'ARE YOU WILLING TO BAIL ME OUT OF JAIL?' AND I SAID, 'NO.' AND SHE SAID, 'WELL, I GOT A FATHER IN FLORIDA. I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH HIM RIGHT NOW. LET ME GET BACK WITH YOU' AND THAT WAS THE LAST I EVER HEARD FROM HER."
Now Farley and his wife are heartbroken. He says, Rowland seemed desperate, but sincere.
Voice of: Brian Farley: "MY WIFE IS SO UPSET, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. SHE'S IN TEARS AND I'M SHAKING MAD. IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS."
If, as mentioned in that link, she's already had a C-section, then the assertion that she just wanted to avoid a scar looks decidedly wobbly. Much to the lynch-mob's chagrin, I hope. It also opens up interesting possibilities regarding the impact her earlier surgery had.
I don't think, for one moment, that this will go to a murder trial, but if it does I think you've got an interesting self-defence angle opening up.
it may fit the definition of premeditated, but i don't exactly see concious malice.
i don't know if murder is the right charge, but at the very least, i'm glad her kids have been given to someone else. a nitwit like that breeding is a shameful thing for the whole human race.
i don't know about her genes, but obviously her intelligence and personality cannot be allowed to pass on to the next generation.
You know what I really don't like about this case - its the slippery slope it goes down. Today, it's surgery or murder charges for the death of a fetus. Tomorrow what? Mom doesn't donate a kidney to her kid, the kid dies, and mom goes to jail?
It's one thing to impose a duty of getting medical care for kids when the kid is born, but a whole other to impose a duty of getting medical care for a fetus when that care is by nature invasive on the mother.
This is nothing more than another attempt by males to take control of women's bodies. (I am especially thinking of Ned and BK here.) Not satisfied with taking control of wombs, the patriarchs want the power to subject women to invasive surgery if they feel like it. This is nothing but naked aggression by the patriarchy against women.
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IF this was decided to be murder, it'd be interesting (In the not good way) to see where this could go.
If you had a woman with carrying many babies, .e.g. Mandy Allwood who was carrying 8, and the doctors told her she must abort one or more of them in order to allow the rest to survive, could she be charged with murder if she REFUSED to have an abortion, and as a result all the babies died? After all, her refusal to have the surgical procedure would be the direct cause of at least one death there.
Originally posted by The Templar
You know what I really don't like about this case - its the slippery slope it goes down. Today, it's surgery or murder charges for the death of a fetus.
Where's the fetus in this case?
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
it may fit the definition of premeditated, but i don't exactly see concious malice.
i don't know if murder is the right charge, but at the very least, i'm glad her kids have been given to someone else. a nitwit like that breeding is a shameful thing for the whole human race.
i don't know about her genes, but obviously her intelligence and personality cannot be allowed to pass on to the next generation.
Check out my post on this on the preceding page. They have a special statute on this in Utah.
Originally posted by DinoDoc
Where's the fetus in this case?
In the womb?
I'm not playing semantic games here. Replace 'fetus' with 'organism in human womb' if you really want a value neutral language.
Given that you have not adressed my substantive arguments, I take it you agree with them. (And you've waived your right to adress them at a later time according to the Apolyton Rules of OT Procedure.)
- "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
- I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
- "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - Ming
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Originally posted by The Templar
You know what I really don't like about this case - its the slippery slope it goes down. Today, it's surgery or murder charges for the death of a fetus. Tomorrow what? Mom doesn't donate a kidney to her kid, the kid dies, and mom goes to jail?
It's one thing to impose a duty of getting medical care for kids when the kid is born, but a whole other to impose a duty of getting medical care for a fetus when that care is by nature invasive on the mother.
This is nothing more than another attempt by males to take control of women's bodies. (I am especially thinking of Ned and BK here.) Not satisfied with taking control of wombs, the patriarchs want the power to subject women to invasive surgery if they feel like it. This is nothing but naked aggression by the patriarchy against women.
Templar, I think you are addressing something different than the specific statute involved in this case. See my post on the previous page.
Originally posted by Gibsie
IF this was decided to be murder, it'd be interesting (In the not good way) to see where this could go.
If you had a woman with carrying many babies, .e.g. Mandy Allwood who was carrying 8, and the doctors told her she must abort one or more of them in order to allow the rest to survive, could she be charged with murder if she REFUSED to have an abortion, and as a result all the babies died? After all, her refusal to have the surgical procedure would be the direct cause of at least one death there.
Good point. I think this might be a legitimate defense to a charge of murder -- something like self defense.
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