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  • #106
    Originally posted by Pax Africanus

    Several of my family members including my dad and brother went to prison. My Dad came back normal. Everyone one else came out screwed in the head. Prison, for most people is one of the worst things that can happen. I don't care if there is TV or not.
    You obviously don't know too many ex-cons or you've been lied too.
    Prison is for people who violate the law. You have been lied to. Afterall, all your economical and political views are pretty off.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • #107
      Can we throw her out of a helicopter now? Can we? Huh, huh? Can we?
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      • #108
        Originally posted by Giancarlo
        Afterall, all your economical and political views are pretty off.
        I'm sure he will take that as a compliment if he has seen any of your posts.
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        • #109
          Originally posted by Giancarlo


          Prison is for people who violate the law. You have been lied to. Afterall, all your economical and political views are pretty off.
          ???? What have I been lied to about? I agree prison is for people who break the law. When you attack me at least justify what you are saying. My political views like gays should be allowed to marry is off. really?
          What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
          What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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          • #110
            Originally posted by Pax Africanus
            Going back to my point. There is a possibility that a strong central government can be formed that can solidify the country behind a cause.
            A strong central government that keeps social order and lays off the economy is possible, I will admit.

            Strong does not mean corrupt.
            The government you want is big, and we know with big governments corruption is prevalent.

            The system would need cchecks and balances to make sure the governing bodies are not above the law. But it can be done.
            I actually proposed instating a check and balances system. The problem with Haiti is it did have a parliament, but the terms of those MPs expired about a year ago. And the Judicary is full of corruption.

            Just like the U.S. is not 100 percent democratic.
            No state has ever been 100 percent democratic.

            It's possible to when the majority of votes in the U.S. and still lose and election without any help from the supreme court.
            It is called the Electoral college. But that is not an issue. I believe it is a better system than the popular vote system.

            Vietnam, China, and Cuba have stated that they are communist and until a time of there choosing they will remain that way.
            They aren't communist or socialist, it doesn't matter what they say. It was like the "Democratic Republic of Kampuchea"... Pol Pot's Cambodia was neither Democratic nor was it a republic.

            I would assume to mean that the majority of there policies tend towards communism or socialism.
            No actually they don't as businesses are left alone pretty much. Especially in China.

            I think it's ignorant of you to dismiss an idea out of hand.
            You were the one dismissing my ideas out right.

            I think that the type of person you are is atypical of the problems of the world.
            You are full of crap. I have seen this world and seen what works and what doesn't. I think you are the type of person who does not have a clue about what would really work for a country.

            You have your mindset and anyone who disagrees immediately becomes an idiot or some other negative term. You are the description of a fool
            NO you are the description of a fool because you have no concept of capitalism or a system that would work.

            Lets take an example: Ecuador. In the 90s, it took on a strong centralized government and this led to economic chaos because of arbitrary price controls. Private businesses fled and the country's coffers were depleted by socialist spending schemes. The country had a major oil source but much of this was mismanaged because of the state owned petroleum country. The same thing happened in Cuba. The economy is in total shambles because of gross mismanagement. I don't see how a person with half a brain could stand up for such a system.

            You also totally ignored the other points I made here.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #111
              Originally posted by Kidicious


              I'm sure he will take that as a compliment if he has seen any of your posts.
              The very ideology you hold is contradictory in nature.

              Pax:
              ???? What have I been lied to about? I agree prison is for people who break the law. When you attack me at least justify what you are saying. My political views like gays should be allowed to marry is off. really?
              I haven't been lied about anything either. I came up to my own beliefs based on personal values I have made. I have justified everything I have said with numerous articles and pieces of evidence, whereas you have not. I have made a strong showing in this thread and any attempt to state that I have not is inaccurate of the reality.

              Homosexuality is not related to this thread. I was talking about your economic views, and political views on what should happen to Haiti. I happen to be gay, but that is not of issue here.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #112
                You said ALL my political views. I just pointed out one my homosexual friend. You can't expect me to have knowledge of every single point you make. If I don't make a comment on it I'm either agreeing or not challenging the validity of it. I respect all of your actual points and opinions and none of your insults. What I'm trying to get at is that the same solution may not work for every country. Capitalism and democracy may not be penicillin. I have also given a number of stats and facts. You point to failure. I point to possible benefits from something that really has not been tried yet. therefore facts are few. But look at the facts presented here. Cuba has a higher literacy rate and lower child death rate than Haiti or it's neighbor the Dominican Republic. This may not be important to you. But I consider literacy and important foundation in a society being able to respect the law, build and maintain infrastructure. Healthy children at birth is a sign of a healthy society. I direct reflection on the life of the mother. I'm not advocating that Cuba or any other government should be socialist/communist or any other dictatorship. I'm saying that new solutions are needed in third world to save these people from further suffering. If you think my ideas are so bad restate yours and we can tear them down for you.
                What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                • #113
                  Originally posted by Pax Africanus
                  You said ALL my political views. I just pointed out one my homosexual friend.
                  I was talking strictly in the context of this thread. My sexual orientation is not of any importance to this thread and is not relevant to what I think should be done with Haiti and why I think Fidel Castro rules illegitimately.

                  I respect all of your actual points and opinions and none of your insults.
                  I have made many points and you went after me.

                  What I'm trying to get at is that the same solution may not work for every country.
                  And I am saying not necessarily. Capitalism worked for Chile... democracy had to come a bit later but that is not the point. Chile is a successful nation.

                  I have also given a number of stats and facts. You point to failure. I point to possible benefits from something that really has not been tried yet.
                  I have suggested a different form of government.

                  Cuba has a higher literacy rate and lower child death rate than Haiti or it's neighbor the Dominican Republic.
                  That's not the point. I am talking about economic prosperity. Dominican Republic is not going broke. Cuba is. Cuba's economic system has been teetering on collapse and bankruptcy ever since the Soviet Union collapsed. Cuba was propped up by the Soviet Union therefore had plenty of money to spend on literacy and health care. But that money is running out. Russia no longer gives out huge handouts to Cuba because they don't have money themselves.

                  But I consider literacy and important foundation in a society being able to respect the law, build and maintain infrastructure.
                  I always considered literacy an important foundation. Again you are attempting to say I made claims that literacy was not important. I clearly said it was important.

                  Quoted from post made on: 01-03-2004 05:45

                  "You can't set a wage on a relatively uneducated group of people. What needs to be done is building infrastructure to educate them so they have what it takes to get better jobs thus attracting more FDI."

                  Healthy children at birth is a sign of a healthy society.
                  Cuba's not a healthy society. Despite having healthy people, these people are brutally repressed and do not have a say in the government.

                  I'm saying that new solutions are needed in third world to save these people from further suffering. If you think my ideas are so bad restate yours and we can tear them down for you.
                  How about the Chilean model? Why won't that work? It did in Chile, which was a third world country. It has some of the most fiscally sound banking systems in the Americas, people are paid well there, and they live relatively long.

                  Life Expectancy (Chile):

                  total population: 76.35 years
                  male: 73.04 years
                  female: 79.82 years (2003 est.)

                  definition: age 15 and over can read and write
                  total population: 96.2%
                  male: 96.4%
                  female: 96.1% (2003 est.)

                  GDP: purchasing power parity - $156.1 billion (2002 est.)
                  GDP - real growth rate: 2.1% (2002 est.)
                  GDP - per capita: purchasing power parity - $10,100 (2002 est.)

                  Growth is doing better this year because of a swift recovery from the regional crisis. Chile actually fared quite well considering. Its credit rating, which is very high, has stayed and its reputation as an all around solid economy has been maintained.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #114
                    I think the Chilean model worked because the institutions of the country did a good job and we didn't have corruption, at least not at the same level than other countries of the region.

                    Anyway I believe that every nation should find they own model.. I mean, if they want to pursuit a open market economy they should do it their own way and not a copy/paste from another country's model, IMHO.
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                    • #115
                      Your sexual preference is not an issue yet. Only your views on whether or not gays should be allowed to marry because you constantly conduct personal attacks. You said all my views were wrong. You should retract your statement and apologize.

                      So you think that the system in Chile will work in Haiti. Will it also work in Iraq? Algeria?
                      What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                      What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by Pax Africanus
                        Your sexual preference is not an issue yet. Only your views on whether or not gays should be allowed to marry because you constantly conduct personal attacks.
                        Why should they be of issue when they are not relevant to the subject we are discussing? If you want to discuss with me on those issues, there are threads for it. And what do supposed "personal attacks" have to do with gay marriage? Nothing.

                        You said all my views were wrong. You should retract your statement and apologize.
                        I said your views as related to this thread were off.

                        So you think that the system in Chile will work in Haiti. Will it also work in Iraq? Algeria?
                        Quite possibly. It depends on if corruption is cleaned up.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #117
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo
                          all your economical and political views are pretty off.
                          My view on homosexuals is political. Your statement discredits everything I have said in support of gays. I did not make the statement. You did.
                          What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                          What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by Pax Africanus

                            My view on homosexuals is political. Your statement discredits everything I have said in support of gays. I did not make the statement. You did.
                            I was talking about this damn thread. Stop trying to twist my words.

                            I am not discrediting anything you say on gays. I am discrediting everything you say in this thread.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Giancarlo


                              I was talking about this damn thread. Stop trying to twist my words.

                              I am not discrediting anything you say on gays. I am discrediting everything you say in this thread.
                              Why do you constantly accuse me of twisiting your words. You did not say you were talking about the thread. That pretty convenient for you change your statement without retracting it.
                              What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                              What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                              • #120
                                Originally posted by Pax Africanus

                                Why do you constantly accuse me of twisiting your words. You did not say you were talking about the thread. That pretty convenient for you change your statement without retracting it.
                                You are twisting my words. You make claims about my beliefs I did not state (and at times was against those claims myself). Convenient? No that is what I was referring to.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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