The Haitian Solution

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

so... what happen with Haiti?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Chilean President
so... what happen with Haiti?

According to Aristide, we were so obviously concerned with Haiti that we masterminded the rebellion to overthrow him.

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

the last thing I heard was that besides the French and US soldiers, Chile and Canada where going to send troops.

and about Aristide, he is not in position to make any BS claim as he's doing... that country is horribly poor and the corruption is huge. He could do a lot better in his almost 10 years in power.

[Giancarlo]

He had plenty of time in power to do some good things, and he didn't do anything that helped. Haiti just slid deeper into economic depression under his regime.

[notyoueither]

He abolished the army that the rich then kept around on a shoe string till they needed it to depose him.

He had a good plan, except something funny happened on the way to the forum...

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus

I think I've located the problem. The solution would be for the U.S. to open its markets to Cuba and demand that they make the same kinds human rights concessions we demand from China.

Exactly.

And that is what the evil Bush said as well. We normalize relations, Castro, when you allow elections, respect human rights and open your markets to American investment. We do not demand that Castro leave or that the communist party be eliminated.

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Would you invest $10 in a country where ex-soldiers feel free to hold up random passers-by on the street, and where monied interests see support for rebels to be a viable form of opposition to the government?

If so, I have a nice little bridge property you may be interested in. It's in a desert, but it has a nice lake view. It is sure to be hot!

But, NYE, Aristide is gone. It was his people who were thugs.

[Pax]

Originally posted by Ned


Exactly.

And that is what the evil Bush said as well. We normalize relations, Castro, when you allow elections, respect human rights and open your markets to American investment. We do not demand that Castro leave or that the communist party be eliminated.

Not exactly.
I don't recall china having elections or respecting human rights in the U.S. sense.

Furthermore, we do business with a lot of human rights violators.

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither
He abolished the army that the rich then kept around on a shoe string till they needed it to depose him.

He had a good plan, except something funny happened on the way to the forum...

NYE, the way Aristide talked, just like your run-of-the mill Marxist, I doubt he had any plan but to subvert democracy.

And he succeeded in that.

[notyoueither]

Oh yes, one man must be all that is wrong with a nation that has been a basket case for a hundred or more years and has required, what?, 4 different interventions by the US Marines?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus

Not exactly.
I don't recall china having elections or respecting human rights in the U.S. sense.

Furthermore, we do business with a lot of human rights violators.

You have a point.

Still, I think we should hold out for democracy in Cuba.

[Ned]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Oh yes, one man must be all that is wrong with a nation that has been a basket case for a hundred or more years and has required, what?, 4 different interventions by the US Marines?

When, if ever, have they had a good government?

[notyoueither]

Exactly my point.

[Pax]

Francois Dominique Toussaint L'Overture

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus
Francois Dominique Toussaint L'Overture

Ah yes you read my sources for once!

"After two centuries of Spanish and French colonial rule, and in the wake of the French Revolution and a new government based on the "Rights of Man," Haiti's slave population began a struggle to win political rights equal to those possessed by the island's white and Creole elites. After a twelve-year struggle, in which the hero of Haiti's Africans -- Toussaint d'Ouverture -- was betrayed and died in French captivity, the island achieved independence from France in 1804 but won little equity for its predominantly slave population.

The circumstances of its birth as an independent state bestowed four potentially destructive legacies on Haitian society. First, the capture of Toussaint in 1802 passed the reins of the country to the hands of the local Creole aristocracy."

http://www.ipacademy.org/Publications/Reports/Research/PublRepoReseHaitPrint.htm

Technically he was never a leader because he was killed before independence. He was killed by the French. Quite possibly he would of led to a better Haiti if he gained power after so valiently fighting for Haitian independence but who knows.