Na, Na, Na, Nader!

[GePap]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


A lot of Deanics are furious at the Democratic Party for sabotaging Dean. Furthermore, if the story Shi Huandi linked yesterady from the New Republic is accurate, the DP is gonna come down hard on them regardless. What loyalty do they owe an organization that only wants their votes?

The question is, which enemy is the greater enemy? Dean stated flat out he would NOT support any third party guy and asked his supporters NOT to back anyone other than the final dmeocratic candidate for the precidency.

The vast bulk of the left right now is like the right in 2000- more important to beat the incumbent (or his proxies) than to vote for whomever you agree with most (which is why Kerry is in the lead).

Other things that matter- to run you need organization, money and press: Nader could tap those as the candidate of the Green party (who's real aim was to secure 5% of the vote)- right now he has none of those, and the press will not give him much time this time. Overall, he should be as consequential to this election as Larouche or a candidate form the socialist party. Most of the votes he will garner will be from states so solidly blue you might vote for Mickey Mouse and know the dems. will carry it.

As for what Shi posted- as I said on that thread, the DLC and its allies would be foolish in trying it very much- though if any porblems arise, it will be after the general election.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by dojoboy
There isn't a hair difference between the Dems and Reps, except who gets the money.

Tell that to the environmentalists who have watched in horror as Bush has gutted the policies they supported under the Clinton Administration.

[GePap]

My guess is that even people still deluded enough to think there is NO difference between the two parites would prefer to give the dems. a try after 4 years of Bush.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Interesting what the socialists have to say about Nader:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/mar2001/nad-m30.shtml

More links below that.

Actually, they're commies.

And Clinton's economic polices pretty much sucked until his final days in office.

In any event, Nader supports capitalism, which I do not. He is, however, useful in trying to break up the one-party system we have. But without a party behnid him, then his running is irrelevent.

2000 was Gore's fault, for being a lousy candidate, and Bush's fault, for cheating.

[randomturn]

I don't think Nader is relevant in 2004 whether he runs or not.

Other than an extreme fringe, the entire left will be united against Bush. In fact, I've never seen the left as united as they are today. As for the fringe, I don't think Kerry is worried about losing the communist vote. I think he'd be more worried about receiving it. The man faced far greater personal risk to fight communism than any Republican President has -- ever.

Nader is a megalomaniac, so he might run. But he is also a calculating and utterly political animal. A 2004 candidacy will give rise to a tidal wave of anti-Nader venom that I think he will protect himself from. "This is the Nader Patriot Act, the Nader John Ashcroft" etc. His strongest moment is in keeping everyone guessing, ie right now, so that he can feed his egomania with debate over will he or won't he, should he or shouldn't he, and have the Dem party (which he resents for perceived slights to his vanity) begging him to cooperate.

[chequita guevara]

Nader's an egomaniac, an Gore's a liar, an Bush is a regular guy. idiots

[GePap]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Nader's an egomaniac, an Gore's a liar, an Bush is a regular guy. idiots

That came out of left field....

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Missing option:

Nader is a self-serving megalomaniac. This is a fairly constant criticism from his former colleagues.

The Ayn Rand of the left, huh?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by GePap




That came out of left field....

Read the post befre mine. This Nader as egomaniac charge is BS. It's sour grapes from Dumbocrats who think that people outside the DP must be crazy or insane or evil not to vote for them. I've never heard or read Nader ever talking about himself, being self-agrandizing, putting himself before others.

[Arrian]

I voted for Nader last time around. Not because I'm really big on the Greens, but rather because I hate the 2 party system. I knew CT would go to Gore easily, which it did, but I wanted the Greens to manage 5%, which they did not.

Dunno what I'm going to do this time around. I fully expect Kerry to carry CT easily, but I'll admit that if the poll data suggests a close race I will vote Kerry to help ensure Bush loses the state.

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

Hell, polls are now showing Bush would lose to either Kerry or Edwards. Unless Bush can pull a rabbit outta his ass (which I fully expect), he's gonna go down in a landslide.

[Arrian]

There is a lot of time before the election, Che. Poll data suggested Bush I was going to be re-elected handily, but then came a recession and "it's the economy, stupid" and Clinton beat him.

-Arrian

[JohnT]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Hell, polls are now showing Bush would lose to either Kerry or Edwards. Unless Bush can pull a rabbit outta his ass (which I fully expect), he's gonna go down in a landslide.

The rabbit is named Osama and he'll be pulled out of Bush's ass 'round Halloween. Just you watch.

[GePap]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Read the post befre mine. This Nader as egomaniac charge is BS. It's sour grapes from Dumbocrats who think that people outside the DP must be crazy or insane or evil not to vote for them. I've never heard or read Nader ever talking about himself, being self-agrandizing, putting himself before others.

And that you never read it means? I never read things like that either- and personally I don't care if he is egomaniacal or not: the point is that the crowing by conservatives here is absurd- he will have little support and will not have the same effect he had in 2000-assuming the election is even that close..he has no party and his natural constituency hates Bush so passionately they will not "waste" their votes on protest issues.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by GePap
he has no party and his natural constituency hates Bush so passionately they will not "waste" their votes on protest issues.

Yup.