Scientists Accuse White House of Distorting Facts

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Defiant


Why not? Your are critizing the President of the USA, why not bring it all, change my mind if you can. I think it is kind of irresponsible of these "superior intellects" not to bring the whole show.

Again, I ask, where have I criticized him? All I have said is that I doubt the scientist would lie or exaggerate.

I am trying to get a copy of the paper from their website, but it keeps timing out. Perhaps you will have better luck.

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Waiting to see the full report is a big cry from insinuating that a panel of nobel laureates would lie to attack the President. The former is reasonable, the latter is smear.

And I doubt I'd be considered one of the biggest liberals by anyone's measure, except of course extreme right-wingers. Hmmm, who here would fit that description?

Boris,
I dont' know if they would lie or not, I don't know them and I would want to see the full report before I make that judgment, and have other scientists look at it since most of it would probably over all of our heads except for Mtg.

Boris, if you consider me far right, you are then about as left as the come, really that shouldn't bother you.

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


Again, I ask, where have I criticized him? All I have said is that I doubt the scientist would lie or exaggerate.

I am trying to get a copy of the paper from their website, but it keeps timing out. Perhaps you will have better luck.

Big Crunch,
I am not talking about you critizing the President, I am referring to the scientists.

[Kuciwalker]

I want to see the actual facts that are disputed before I decide, but until then I'm leaning towards the scientists.

Sadly, I think Kerry would be even worse (though not necessarily in the same ways), so it won't change my opinion wrt the election

[Sava]

Show me some specifics and I will gladly tell you if Bush distorted science.

I said in the first post "more to follow".

I'm looking for the actual report... or any other mention of this development. The corporate media probably won't report this, so it may be a while.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by The diplomat
I can't believe you're bringing up the whole creationist thing! That was done to death months ago!

In that thread, you repeated some of the most absurd creationist claims that would make any actual scientist laugh his buttocks off. So excuse me if I take your scientific credentials with a huge grain of salt, as well as your complaints that these scientists are just showing their bias. I think it's hysterical you're complaining about bias, when that is exactly what is motivating your argument here.

[Sava]

Sadly, I think Kerry would be even worse (though not necessarily in the same ways), so it won't change my opinion wrt the election

you can't vote so your opinion doesn't matter

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Sava
you can't vote so your opinion doesn't matter

Now that is just flat out mean.

[Sava]

here's a site about an earlier situation in which Bush misused scientific data...

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/politicsandscience/

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Defiant


Big Crunch,
I am not talking about you critizing the President, I am referring to the scientists.

Oops, your style made it look like you were.

You complain they haven't brought on the accusations, but they have. It just isn't reported in detail in the NYT article. Do you blame the scientists for this?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Sava
you can't vote so your opinion doesn't matter

Why can't skywalker vote?

[Sava]

here's the report from Aug 8th, 2003... the original story I posted is a follow up to this

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/politicsandscience/pdfs/pdf_politics_and_science_rep.pdf

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Sava
here's a site about an earlier situation in which Bush misused scientific data...

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/politicsandscience/

Are you referring the Condom Effectiveness conspiracy.
Just kidding, I am reading it, however some of the stuff maybe over my head, may have to call Mtg in.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Why can't skywalker vote?

16 year olds can't vote, AFAIK

[Defiant]

Originally posted by Big Crunch


Oops, your style made it look like you were.

You complain they haven't brought on the accusations, but they have. It just isn't reported in detail in the NYT article. Do you blame the scientists for this?

Yes, I do. It is kind of like the layman saying I thing Bush invasion of Iraq s*cks but not explaining why. Of coarse all individuals have their god given right to say what they want, but this site is notorious for having you backup what you say with some evidence and that's a good thing. Then all of a sudden these scientists say Bush is crappy because of nuclear power, hell you don't even know if it is power or weapons he is talking about, we need details, you demand the same thing from me and I do you.