Scientists clone human embryos

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
No.

On one hand, you insist that removing cells from a ball of undifferentiated cells which happen to contain human DNA murder. While on the other, you mention offing cells that contain human DNA is not.

Please kindly explain the contradiction.

[Ben Kenobi]

"In this case there was no sperm, no uterus, there was no vision for this to be a human being,"

This presupposes that one is not a human being until implantation.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
This presupposes that one is not a human being until implantation.

Where did "human being" come from?

[Dis]

and the U.S. falls further behind in technology because of Bush.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Dissident
and the U.S. falls further behind in technology because of Bush.

Well, there is war weariness. So Bush needs to increase the luxury rating but also have more income. Therefore, he must reduce science.

[Dis]

we could conquer Rome and take Michealangelos Chapel.

[Combat Ingrid]

@Ben Kenobi: I assumed people like you would show up in this thread so I deliberately used "sloppy terminology" to make it easier to understand

Besides, as Ixnay pointed out, apparently no zygotes were harmed in any way in these experiments. They just exchanged the nucleus of the ovum with the nucleus from a somatic cell and induced it to enter the cell cycle.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Why not? All you are is a sack of cells with incredible medical potential.

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

Ha!
A typical Kenobist dramatisation of the issue!

Growing organs is the way to ease the suffering of millions.
A person suffering of cancer will not give a damn if you or your outdated old dogma approves or not.

They want a cure.

It's our earthly-created medicine that will save lives.
Not some earthly-created fantasy god.

And who are you to sit on a throne of judgement anyway?



I bet you don't whine at billions of cows being grown for death and consumption.

Ah yes, because your invented deity said that was OK.

It must be good to have a double standard, non?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
Besides, as Ixnay pointed out, apparently no zygotes were harmed in any way in these experiments. They just exchanged the nucleus of the ovum with the nucleus from a somatic cell and induced it to enter the cell cycle.

That's not cloning embryoes though -- well I was wondering how do you clone embryoes, and why bother, but nevermind.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So how does the brain form? Does it pop out of nothingness and become a fully developed brain? No. The brain develops over a period of time, along with the other parts of an embryo, growing in complexity over time.

Secondly, how does one determine when conscience forms? You seem to be very confident.

Easy, really. As long as the cells can turn in any kind of organ, they don't have the function of a brain.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
There is no reason why rights which could apply on 'lesser' beings should not.

You cannot apply a right. Rights are affirmative by nature, they only exist for those who can claim them and defend their claim. Animals other than humans lack both fundimental capacities necessary to have rights.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You cannot apply a right. Rights are affirmative by nature, they only exist for those who can claim them and defend their claim. Animals other than humans lack both fundimental capacities necessary to have rights.

I bet there are people in Germany who are not capable to defend certain rights, still the constitution does indeed give them those rights.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


You cannot apply a right. Rights are affirmative by nature, they only exist for those who can claim them and defend their claim. Animals other than humans lack both fundimental capacities necessary to have rights.

Nope. Children have rights. The mentally retarded also do.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by BeBro
I bet there are people in Germany who are not capable to defend certain rights, still the constitution does indeed give them those rights.

Understood.

Still, in the case that their rights are violated, somebody else would need to defend them.

[pchang]

Originally posted by DataAeolus


In that case, those human beings would be... human beings which are entitled to basic human rights. They're not animals nor farms to be harvested.

I prefer to clone organs themselves using stem cells instead of growing actual human beings.

EDIT: Let me expand on this some more. I've read about the possiblity of having stem cell banks in which some stem cells are taken from an emybro during a pregnancy. Those cells would be stored and then suppose 25 years later, the person got in an accident and the liver get destroyed or something, doctors can come back to that person's stem cells and use those cells to grow a new liver. The advantage is that since the new liver's from the same stem cells that the body grew from, the body would not reject the liver.

I'd like to take an opportunity to bring up a thought. Hopefully someone with extensive knowledge of biochemistry can help me out here ( I know at least one of you are studying that field!). From what I understand, basically, when one die of old age, it means on the cellular level, cells has been replicating itself so often that the quality of new copies are not as good and eventually the quality is so poor those cells just don't function. (cell A replicates itself into cell A.1 which replicates itself into cell A.2 copying from A.1 not A and so on. Imagine doing that with a paper and a copier. 100th copy wouldn't be as good as the first copy) When the body has so many of cells that are not functioning, the body die. Would it be possible to use stem cells to revitalize the body? Those cells would be closer to orginial copies. Would this enable a person to live longer until basically his brains stop functioning?

Stem cells can be taken from the placenta and stored after birth. This is already being done, but costs a fiar amount and the parents have to pay. In addition, not all places are set up for this, so you have do decide months in advance to make sure the preparations are in place.