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  • No... the system comes with morality not arrogance and utmost stupidity.
    prove it, where does it say that free market comes with morality?
    "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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    • Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


      prove it, where does it say that free market comes with morality?
      Because it is not anarchy.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • thats not proof. and a lack of morality doesnt imply anarchy.
        "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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        • Yeah it does. And my statements in itself is proof because I'm right and you aren't.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • wow. you know, with that sort of logic, how can anyone ever hope to argue against it?
            "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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            • Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
              wow. you know, with that sort of logic, how can anyone ever hope to argue against it?
              It is quite simple. You don't.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • Fez is so fun to debate with. In the end, his argument always comes down to a BAM
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                • Originally posted by Fez
                  "California is one of the fastest growing states in the nation"

                  We are? Last time I heard the economy here was in a slump.
                  No, I meant growing in population.

                  "Second, we need to revoke the tax breaks given to commercial and industrial properties under Prop 13. "

                  Last I heard businesses were taxed the most here out of the entire nation. Great drive away more businesses.
                  Businesses are taxed the most in California. We are high in sales tax and income tax--which hit the middle class the hardest--because of the stranglehold Prop. 13 has on the property tax. And we have the highest workers' comp. rates and lousy benefits because that system is really busted.

                  ...But drive more businesses away?? Last time I looked, our state was the 5th largest economy in the world. Los Angeles's economy is equal to all of Russia's.

                  What this state needs is more corporate tax cuts.
                  Let's see...so we cut more corporate taxes, and most of the income for the wealthy is now tax free, yet we have to have a balanced budget. Hmmm, who is go to have to pay more now? I know....yet more tuition increases for CSUN!!

                  And Gray Davis was a moron.... who screwed up the state... I mean he was cutting back on education himself.
                  Gray Davis was not a moron; he was a slimy money grubbing politician, but he wasn't a moron. And he wasn't cutting education until right at the end when, in the face of budget deficits caused by: (1) the bursting dot-com bubble, (2) the nationwide recession, and the (3) Wilson-caused energy crisis, the Republicans acted with incredible irresponsibility by blocking any rollbacks of the tax-cuts they got for the wealthiest Californians.

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                  • Originally posted by Fez
                    Corporate taxes have to be reduced. They have to cut programs for poor people. I am sorry, but there is just no money left. To generate money, we have to attract business. That is the only way. There is no other way.
                    Psst, Fez, that's what they want you to think.

                    But remember when Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy and raised the minimum wage. Republicans predicted economic collapse--but instead we got the longest sustained growth in the history of the U.S.

                    Remember the old saying: Democratic economic policies make Americans rich enough to become Republicans.

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                    • at Fez' "logic"

                      Lets hope this sort of 'logic' infests less thread now than before.
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                      • Okay whatever. I have such a bad upset stomach I can't really argue.. argh.. it hurts...
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • yeah, CSUs dont pay **** for college. they should hike those rates. Same with state, JC, and city colleges.
                          "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                          • Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
                            yeah, CSUs dont pay **** for college. they should hike those rates. Same with state, JC, and city colleges.
                            I don't disagree with you actually. We should pay more for what we get.

                            "the Republicans acted with incredible irresponsibility by blocking any rollbacks of the tax-cuts they got for the wealthiest Californians."

                            I don't necessarily support that. But I support tax cuts for businesses to attract businesses.

                            Anyways, I must get going to rest a bit. Later mate.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • Fez: Drug prohibition is against the free market as it interferes with the market for drugs.
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                              • Only the one to refincance the old debt make sence. There is no just thing as than balance budget in Big Bussien and in Government.
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