Russia: No CFE treaty for you!

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
Lack of basic knowledge of geography is something You should be ashamed of.

Says who?

FYI, "Krolewiec" do not exist. Forget about it Heresson. You will never get Kaliningrad, not you, not Lithuanians, not anyone else. Your whine can be very annoying, so please shut-up.

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by paiktis22

It is all part of the compromise spirit. The one the UK lacks.


It can't go this way since it creates too many variable geometries. Too many special clauses that will hurt the EU sometimes in favor of the UK sometimes without any benefit for it either.

Benefits of the EU? I took the trouble to find out (from the EU's own website) who actually pays.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/budget/pdf/agenda2000/allocrep_en2002.pdf

Don't click on this link unless you want to download a LARGE pdf file. The key table is on the very last page (I wonder why? ) and I have pasted it below.

Obviously there is more to the EU than just the financial costs - that is why the UK is interested in the single market. But the only four countries who got a net cash benefit from the EU in 2002 were Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece.

It becomes obvious why Greece benefits from the EU (until more money goes to the new countries) and that Paiktis's anti-British ranting is based on "pay up and keep quiet" rather than any principles.

The EU can do without the UK but is Greece willing to fund the 3 billion plus euros the EU budget would then be short of?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb


Says who?

FYI, "Krolewiec" do not exist. Forget about it Heresson. You will never get Kaliningrad, not you, not Lithuanians, not anyone else. Your whine can be very annoying, so please shut-up.

Y'know what, I've never heard a well-argued case why East Prussia (or Little Lithuania) should belong to Russia. I'm all ears.

[Az]

Little Lithuania? Is this for real? what's the point of calling a part of your country "little", when it's just next to "big lithuania". It would be like the US calling canada "little America", or something.

[Serb]

We won it fair and square. You think after all harm what nazi invasion done to Russia, we shouldn't took any compensation?

[Serb]

Forget it. Kaliningrad is part of Russia absolutely legitimately and this simple fact is recognized by all countries. If you dissagree, come and get it, if you have balls for this. But just stop whinning like girls.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
We won it fair and square. You think after all harm what nazi invasion done to Russia, we shouldn't took any compensation?

I asked for a well argued justification

[Serb]

You think I should spent hours digging for proper almost 60 years old document?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Serb
You think I should spent hours digging for proper almost 60 years old document?

I'm hoping

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by CerberusIV


Benefits of the EU? I took the trouble to find out (from the EU's own website) who actually pays.

http://europa.eu.int/comm/budget/pdf/agenda2000/allocrep_en2002.pdf

Don't click on this link unless you want to download a LARGE pdf file. The key table is on the very last page (I wonder why? ) and I have pasted it below.

Obviously there is more to the EU than just the financial costs - that is why the UK is interested in the single market. But the only four countries who got a net cash benefit from the EU in 2002 were Ireland, Spain, Portugal and Greece.

It becomes obvious why Greece benefits from the EU (until more money goes to the new countries) and that Paiktis's anti-British ranting is based on "pay up and keep quiet" rather than any principles.

Well that's a convenient explanation for you I'm sure. Doesn't make it true. It only demonstrates your rather limited sight.

The EU can do without the UK but is Greece willing to fund the 3 billion plus euros the EU budget would then be short of?

Sure we don't need your stinking money You can take it and shove it up your arse Without the UK the EU would go forward much faster and money matters much less than a fast forward EU.

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW I love it when you try to make me look like a single UK critisizer when it's actually a paneuropean realization.

[Saras]

Originally posted by paiktis22

Sure we don't need your stinking money You can take it and shove it up your arse Without the UK the EU would go forward much faster and money matters much less than a fast forward EU.

What a lunatic

[TheStinger]

Greece couldn't have put on the olympics without EU and therefore UK money.

But you don't have to thank us we're big enough not to get annoyed about that.

[Heresson]

First of all, if SU hadn't invaded Poland, Germany wouldn't have invaded it. Secondly, it was given to Russia which, of all European Soviet republics, was the less harmed by the war. Russia has no historical, ethnical or whatever rights to Krolewiec (by the way, what's the Lithuanian name). Northern part of the region should have been given to Lithuania, southern to Poland, with Krolewiec itself. Russia hasn't lost any land during the war, and Lithuania even gained it, so perhaps entire thing should go to Poland, which was cut by 1/3 (or 1/4, dependant on the counting) reduced on cost of its eastern neighbours. Remember that citizens of Krolewiec and Eastern Prussia have several times accented them being part of Poland, as they were fief of it illegally given to the Brandenburgians. Also, in the 1657 Welawa-Bydgoszcz treaty, it was said that if Hohenzollerns would cease to rule Prussia, it should be entirelly incorporated into Poland.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Saras


I'm hoping

I don't have any desire to spend my time on that. USSR took this territory in accordance with treaty Germany signed when it's capitulated in WW2. And it's a well-known fact.