Why Hockey Is The Best Sport

[Ben Kenobi]

There is an important demographic pissed off by this latest incident.

So CBC is at the behest of cheese eating surrender monkies too feeble for the old country?

That would explain sooo much.

Bet you 100$, that CBC wouldn't blink an eye if Cherry called all Western hockey players, 'rednecks.'

French equals weak

Anyone who's watched M. Lemieux will refute that statement. Or Guy Lafleur, or Jean Beliveau. The list goes on.

Why give Cherry more power by censoring him? Just ignore the comment.

[Ben Kenobi]

censor relationships between consenting adults...

/me checks his 'gaynometer'

Increasing levels of gayness in thread.

I say no such thing. There is a profound difference between gay marriage and 'censoring relationships.'

Now please, could we get back to hockey?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So CBC is at the behest of cheese eating surrender monkies too feeble for the old country?

That would explain sooo much.

Bet you 100$, that CBC wouldn't blink an eye if Cherry called all Western hockey players, 'rednecks.'

Unfortunately, you are correct. There is a double standard at work. It is perfectly acceptable to most Canadians to portray the West as rednecks, and Alberta as slightly worse.

The portrayal of the West is not right. However, the crack about the French that Cherry mouthed off was not right either.

We can ***** and whine about the unfairness that French concerns are addressed, but ours are not. In fact, until we ***** and whine about it, nobody will take us seriously. That doesn't mean that what Cherry said should be tolerated by the CBC, and it isn't being. So how are they wrong in this case?

[Ben Kenobi]

doesn't mean that what Cherry said should be tolerated by the CBC, and it isn't being. So how are they wrong in this case?

Look at Howard Stern. By drawing attention to his comments, and being banned in Canada, just provides him with more noteriety.

Same here with Don Cherry. Yes he was wrong to say French equates with weak. But I fail to see how his comments impact negatively on CBC. Nobody treats Don Cherry seriously, and no one would remotely suggest that his views match the views of the organisation.

We have gotten so afraid to offend people, that we would prefer to censor things because they may offend. Yes, it may stop bad things, but it also stops lots of good things as well.

Look at the KKK. Who cares what they have to say? Let them speak, so that they can be refuted and exposed.

[notyoueither]

Ben, like it or not media outlets have standards. I would hope you agree they should have those. When someone they broadcast or publish violates those standards, say by making a bigoted comment that insults a large segment of their audience, it is time for the media outlet to do something, yes?

*****ing and moaning because your boy got hung on one of those standards is rather pointless.

btw, I would really like to see the howls if the CBC gave the KKK a regular spot on air and then said, 'it ain't us, it's him'. Give me a freekin break and get a real example, OK?

[Ben Kenobi]

howls if the CBC gave the KKK a regular spot on air and then said, 'it ain't us, it's him'.

By your logic, by airing a gay marriage, CBC endorses gay marriage, and insults a large portion of their viewing public, namely Christians.

Censorship is a two-way street, NYE. Should Christians be able to kick up a fuss and get CBC to pull the broadcast?

Now, I am sure there are plenty Russians and Ukranians here in Canada, so why is Don Cherry allowed to rant about durty furriners and not about French Canadians? You define one group as 'significant,' yet that distinction has already been shown to be arbitrary.

Finally, is it right to make the comparison between the phrase, French people are weak, and Blacks should be lynched? In the second, the KKK advocates violence against black people, while in the first, Cherry is merely being an idiot.

moaning because your boy

I never agree with Don Cherry. Which is precisely why he should be allowed to speak.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
By your logic, by airing a gay marriage, CBC endorses gay marriage, and insults a large portion of their viewing public, namely Christians.

Censorship is a two-way street, NYE. Should Christians be able to kick up a fuss and get CBC to pull the broadcast?

Wrong, fvcknuts, because that marriage would be being performed by a Christain minister for Christians! Can you get your head out of your dogmatic ass long enough to see that it ain't just you that is Christian?

If you're insulted, it is because you're a bigot who can't keep your beliefs in your own home and church and have to be a busy body enforcing them on everybody else.

I'm sick and freeking tired of you appropriating the voice of all Christianity when there are Christians who disagree with you, vehemently.

Now, I am sure there are plenty Russians and Ukranians here in Canada, so why is Don Cherry allowed to rant about durty furriners and not about French Canadians? You define one group as 'significant,' yet that distinction has already been shown to be arbitrary.

Finally, is it right to make the comparison between the phrase, French people are weak, and Blacks should be lynched? In the second, the KKK advocates violence against black people, while in the first, Cherry is merely being an idiot.

I never agree with Don Cherry. Which is precisely why he should be allowed to speak.

I didn't define the French as significant. The fact that they are 4 or 5 million out of 30 million, and the CBC decided so make them significant.

Bigotry is bigotry, whether that is sneering at Western rednecks and crosses burning in BC, or French being weak because some, probably non-French, players want to wear face guards in hockey. If the CBC decides not to tolerate anti-French bigotry, huzzah! It brings the day nearer that bigotry of other forms may be snuffed out as well.

As to Mr. Cherry being allowed to speak, he is perfectly free to occupy any street corner and get his lights punched out after he says something stupid to some passer-by. The CBC has no obligation to provide any bigot with a corner to promulgate their ignorance from.

[Ben Kenobi]

The fact that they are 4 or 5 million out of 30 million, and the CBC decided so make them significant.

So we are allowed to censor whatever speech we happen to disagree with, by defining any offended group as 'significant?'

Let's see the other side of the sword. By your statement, there is nothing preventing CBC from rendering French-Canadians as 'insignificant', based on the criteria of personal choice.

If the CBC decides not to tolerate anti-French bigotry, huzzah! It brings the day nearer that bigotry of other forms may be snuffed out as well.

If we censor based on arbitrary distinctions, then I find that little cause for cheer. How do you know that in cutting out what one labels as bigotry, you do not also cut out truth? No one has a perfectly functioning conscience, we all have our blindspots.

CBC endorses gay marriage, and insults a large portion of their viewing public, namely Christians.

Fine. They alienate Evangelicals, Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics, Mennonites, Reformed, Orthodox, Methodists, Congregationalists, Presbyterians, even many Anglicans as well.

Happy? I find that a large portion of CBC's viewing audience offended by the broadcast of a gay marriage. Should they be able to complain, and have CBC pull off the coverage?

who can't keep your beliefs in your own home and church and have to be a busy body enforcing them on everybody else.

Funny. I'm the one arguing against censorship. Look in the mirror, NYE.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Bet you 100$, that CBC wouldn't blink an eye if Cherry called all Western hockey players, 'rednecks.'

You'd owe a lot of people money if you made that bet. The CBC would be up in arms, and so would the advertisers. It's one thing for an English-language commentator to tell an English-speaking audience that French-Canadians are weak, but it would be a whole different matter if Cherry started insulting his audience.

[Tingkai]

Although Cherry is kind of like a satire of old time hockey. Some guy at the Calgary Sun peg him dead on: Cherry is like your granddad after a couple of Red Caps, spewing on about how hockey ain't the same as was back in his days.

[Brundlefly]

Originally posted by Tingkai

What do you guys think about the new seven-second delay on Cherry?

Well, if he tries to bare one of his breasts, no one has to see it now...

[Sava]

I'm not aware abotu Cherry's comments regarding french players... but is anyone surprised? I remember Cherry going on and on about European players back in the 90's...

He's an old school hockey guy with strong opinions about how hockey should be played.

Let me ask you guys, are French players known for being "bruisers"? or really physical checkers? mmmmm NO!

so why bash Cherry for an observation that is based on reality?

it seems to me the french-canadian and european styles stress speed, finesse, stickwork, and passing... not hard hitting like in the US and Canada...

[Brundlefly]

I just hope Philly doesnt trade Mike Comrie to Phoenix for Burke as rumored. That would ruin my day...

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Sava
Let me ask you guys, are French players known for being "bruisers"? or really physical checkers? mmmmm NO!

so why bash Cherry for an observation that is based on reality?

it seems to me the french-canadian and european styles stress speed, finesse, stickwork, and passing... not hard hitting like in the US and Canada...

That's an interesting misconception you have there, considering there's a Quebec league (not sure if it's the QMJHL or another one) that is widely known as being probably the toughest, dirtiest league in the world.

And I'm sure the likes of Donald Brashear, George Laraque, Andre Roy and inumerable other French-Canadian enforcers would disagree with that assessment as well. Quite frankly, on average, I'd say that French-Canadian players are at least as physical, if not moreso, than their anglo-Canadian or American counterparts.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Who cares about Cherry . Does anyone take him seriously anymore anyway?

Let's talk about the game itself.