Ohio governor signs bill making state 38th to ban gay marriage

[Ben Kenobi]

So, what about state's rights, MtG?

And BTW,

[yavoon]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Marriage is a contract, yes. Taxes are a legislative matter, and frankly, they should be neutral as to marital status. For decades, the tax brackets in the IRC have been punitive to married couples in comparison with two "single" people shacking up.

Health benefits are a matter of contract between employer and employee.

As for family court services, those aren't free, and gays pay taxes to support them the same as heteros, so what's the difference?

the point wasn't "gay ppl shouldn't have access to these things"

if u remember u said "somethings gov't shouldn't be involved in" but its pretty hard to not be involved in marriage when so much law surrounds the institution. as I gave a few examples of.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And BTW,

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
This is not good. Thirty-eight is the magic number for a Constitutional Amendment.

So what? Getting 2/3 of both houses of Congress for an amendment even more moronic than prohibition isn't likely to happen any time soon.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So, what about state's rights, MtG?

In matters which are properly subject to government regulation, then state's rights and sovereignty should (and by the Constitution, do) supersede Federal powers except in cases where the Constitution makes a grant of Federal power.

However, IMO, there are extensive realms of private, non-commercial conduct between consenting individuals for which I believe no level of government has proper regulatory authority.

Personal liberty should trump state's rights and sovereignty unless the state can display a compelling public interest for the extension of it's regulatory authority.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


In matters which are properly subject to government regulation, then state's rights and sovereignty should (and by the Constitution, do) supersede Federal powers except in cases where the Constitution makes a grant of Federal power.

However, IMO, there are extensive realms of private, non-commercial conduct between consenting individuals for which I believe no level of government has proper regulatory authority.

Personal liberty should trump state's rights and sovereignty unless the state can display a compelling public interest for the extension of it's regulatory authority.

I dont see how personal liberty is infringed by denying someone the legal rammifications of "marriage"

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
And BTW,

People have called you many things this last week. I would like to state my opinion, but since it would just show up as lots of asterisks, I won't bother...

[asleepathewheel]

This was a great opportunity to cut down on those pre-marital sex statistics but Ohio blew it.

Ohio: Turning its back on the 7th Commandment

[yaroslav]

I'm not able to understand why people dislike gays so much

[Japher]

I'm not able to understand why people dislike gays so much

have you met MrFun?

[Combat Ingrid]

Originally posted by yaroslav
I'm not able to understand why people dislike gays so much

I would guess it has to do with Satan and demons, stuff like that

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by yavoon


I dont see how personal liberty is infringed by denying someone the legal rammifications of "marriage"

Well then, why not deny it to miscegenators, ******s, spics, anyone else we don't want to "reward?" Simple fact, if the state chooses to make marriage available to two consenting adults, why in hell should the state care what gender they are?

If you make something available to one person or class of persons, and make it unavailable to another, you are by definition infringing the liberty of that person.

The hypocrisy in this law is that Ohio and these other states are saying "marry someone of the opposite gender who you can't stand, who you will never live with or do anything else with, and who you will never raise a child with, and we'll give you all these benefits, because that's the "sanctity" of marriage. But if you want to 'marry' an individual of the same gender who you love and intend to spend the rest of your life with, then it's our policy to deny that to you."

[Edan]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat



so just to check why do ppl want to marry again?

Given statistics, I'd say about half do it to get divorced...

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid




People have called you many things this last week. I would like to state my opinion, but since it would just show up as lots of asterisks, I won't bother...

Please don't. Ben has the same right to hold his views and express them as you have to hold yours and express them.

[Edan]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
This is not good. Thirty-eight is the magic number for a Constitutional Amendment.

Yeah, but support for state bans doesn't equal the same amount of support for a constitutional amendment, thankfully.