Tough Question for Religious Orientated People

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Whoha


If any country could deal with such a large pop boom it would be the US, considering we are the largest agricultural producers on the planet in addition to other advantages we have.

So, why hasn't it happened then?

Clue:
There is this thing called exporting...

[Elok]

Well, Theben, if you're looking at this the way I think you are, why is it so important that the human race continue? I mean, what do you care, you'll be dead...

[curtsibling]

If you have that attitude, Elok, why not shoot yourself today?

There is a survival instinct hard-wired into we humans.

Only the mad and weak will fall by the wayside.

[Elok]

I don't shoot myself because I am me, not the entire human race. If no more children are conceived, nobody really suffers, there's just no more human race. We die out, and if you don't believe in god(s) there's nobody left to mourn us.

[Ben Kenobi]

So uncontrolled mass-production of children is waht you espouse, Ben?

Children are not a commodity to be bought or sold. They are a gift from God.

May I remind you that not every nation, or even family is able to manage a large population expansion.

We spend billions of dollars on our pets. Surely we can afford a larger population then we have now.

Despite what a dogmatic doctrine may command, a growing group of children need sufficient food, shelter and security.

What dogmatic doctrine have I cited? Please enlighten me.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Elok
I don't shoot myself because I am me, not the entire human race. If no more children are conceived, nobody really suffers, there's just no more human race. We die out, and if you don't believe in god(s) there's nobody left to mourn us.

That scenario is unlikely, though.

Apart from a pan-global disaster.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Children are not a commodity to be bought or sold. They are a gift from God.

They actually are a gift from women, but hey!

Why let logic get in the way of a theology moment?

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
We spend billions of dollars on our pets. Surely we can afford a larger population then we have now.

Of pets?

I would like a second dog, now that you mention it!

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
What dogmatic doctrine have I cited? Please enlighten me.

Your first quote, old chap.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by curtsibling


So, why hasn't it happened then?

Clue:
There is this thing called exporting...

abortion. there would be about 43 million additional people in the US were it not possible.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your first quote, old chap.

Inadmissible. That came after your last point accused me of citing dogma. If you can't find a case, then I'll chalk that up to rhetorical flourish.

They actually are a gift from women, but hey!

Can a woman, by herself, make a baby?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap


1) Tell them they are free to kill themselves-but that what we can do is dope them up real good until we can see if they have a chance to recover
2) We will dope them up real good and will wait to see if you have a chance to recover.

you are again, changing the case, a fallacy. Given that they will suffer excrutiating pain and YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, what would you do in those situations?

[Kuciwalker]

Can a woman, by herself, make a baby?

Yes - it's called a "sperm bank"

Anyways, what does god have to do with it if quite clearly all it requires is a man and a woman?

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Whoha


abortion. there would be about 43 million additional people in the US were it not possible.

Sadly (for you) the USA is the land of freedom.

Hence, women get a choice.

And amazingly, abortion is not always by a loose woman ejected an unwanted baby.
Sometimes doctors advise the baby be terminated for medical reasons.

I realise this may come as a shock to you.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Inadmissible. That came after your last point accused me of citing dogma. If you can't find a case, then I'll chalk that up to rhetorical flourish.

You said your god provides babies as a gift.

Care to cite that as anything other than warbling dogma?

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Can a woman, by herself, make a baby?

I see lessons at sunday school are somewhat limited in scope.

Obviously a man is involved for some of the process, as I hope you are aware, but the creation of a new baby is a purely human, biological thing.

To say an unproven, fabricated god has anything to do with this animal process is taking your 'rhetorical flourish' too far!

[DinoDoc]

Where's the tough questions again? All I see are stupidly unrealistic hypotheticals?

[curtsibling]

Just for my old pal, Dinodoc...

Scenario:
While on holiday, you and your loved ones (partner/family/etc) are taken kidnapped and captive by terrorists/criminals.
They give you the choice of either shooting your loved ones or yourself – What do you do?

You could be heroic, and try and shoot them, resulting in you and your loved ones being killed anyway.

But would that be murder?

And if forced to shoot yourself, is that still suicide?

How would you handle this situation?

Please answer as you see fit.