Texas pharmacist refuses pill for rape victim

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Verto
Seems like the Catholics have too much time on their hands. Maybe a second Inquisition would keep them occupied?

You're right. It's time to weed out the catholics.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Sikander
I discussed this briefly with my girlfriend, who happens to be both a pharmacist and an attorney.

Obviously contrary to Gepap's opinion this man broke no laws in refusing to sell this woman this prescription.

Thanks for the love

Where he is in trouble immediately is with his employer, which has a reasonable expectation that its employees will take any lawful and ethical opportunity to sell the products it carries. His beef is with his employer, and he should have had the guts to tell them upfront that he was going to refuse to fill prescriptions of whatever type. Instead he decided to take an opportunity to make some headlines. I'd fire his ass in a heartbeat.

The guy should be glad he got a repirmand instead of a pink slip.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Sik,

Interesting,

To what extent is the employer liable, if any, for failure to dispense meds that are prescribed?

Og

[Proteus_MST]

Probably to no extent, as they could blame it onto the Employee or his superior

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Verto
Seems like the Catholics have too much time on their hands. Maybe a second Inquisition would keep them occupied?

[/badtroll]

yes -- that was a bad troll

[Ben Kenobi]

I wonder, if a woman Ben is close to came to him after being badly beaten and raped, talked out the situation with him confidentiality, then decided despite Ben's best advice, that she wanted to get the morning-after-pill, would he drive her to the doctor's and pharmacy, or would he basically tell her to get lost?

Well, you can put my girlfriend into that sitaution. She would not need to drive since there is a 'rape relief' centre on campus. The sad irony would be that she has been vehemently opposed to that clinic, and we managed to get an opt-out clause on our student fees.

I would not take her there, I would not go with her. However, I would not tell her to go away, mostly because I love her and I wouldn't know what to do without her.

It'd be nice if you could answer that Ben Kenobi, I'd just like to know if you're really human after all.

Gibsie: Would you be surpirsed to know that I have lost friends and had relatives no longer speak to me for publicly being prolife? I've been on the receiving end, and I find my real friends now are much more forgiving.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Gibsie
I don't think I've read a thread that's so filled me with contempt in a long while.

You obviously haven't visited many threads lately

Oh it's a joke. He's a pharmacist, he's not there to make moral judgements. And if he considers distributing these pills so immoral, how come he hasn't objected before?

[Q Classic]

unlike ben, i would see no other choice than to go with her.

as morally opposed to it i may be, the simple fact that she would need me to be there, if only for support, means that i ought to be there for her.

[Q Classic]

reading back on some of this thread...

imho: it's good if you have religious conviction. but when you go to work, check them at the door. if you cannot fill the prescription given to you, let someone else do it, and don't drive the customer away.

[Standup]

Well, you can put my girlfriend into that sitaution. She would not need to drive since there is a 'rape relief' centre on campus. The sad irony would be that she has been vehemently opposed to that clinic, and we managed to get an opt-out clause on our student fees.

I assume a 'rape relief' centre is somewhere that provide advices, someone to talk to etc (that's what it was at my University) so i'm curious as to why you think you shouldn't contribute to that ? I don't see any contradiction/conflict with your faith here ?

[Ben Kenobi]

as morally opposed to it i may be, the simple fact that she would need me to be there, if only for support, means that i ought to be there for her.

Any assistance I provide implies agreement with her action.

Consider this. I would marry her in this situation, and offer to take care of her, even if it meant that I would not be able to go to school. That's the offer I'd be giving, that she would have to refuse. I would have already offered my unconditional support to help her take care of the child.

If she rejects this offer, then I'm sorry, but it's her decision, and she has to walk that path alone. I will forgive her because I love her, but the decision is hers.

assume a 'rape relief' centre is somewhere that provide advices, someone to talk to etc (that's what it was at my University) so i'm curious as to why you think you shouldn't contribute to that ?

We fought against the provision of the morning after pill, not the rape relief centre, for the precise reasons you mention. We had no problem with providing counselling for these women, but we could not support the dispensation of the morning after pill.

After the referendum went through, and we lost our proposal to amend, we insisted upon an opt out clause so that we would not be coerced as students to support the rape relief centre.

I don't see any contradiction/conflict with your faith here ?

[Standup]

OK, i get you - the 'morning after pill' didn't really exist when i was at Uni so i didn't make the connection.

Don't you think though that by not supporting one aspect you're denying a valuable resource as a whole to many people ? I occasionally didn't agree with many things my Student's Union did but i wouldn't want to jeopardise services i might 90% agree with by not funding them ?

[Ben Kenobi]

Consider our perspective. Our money, some of it, would go towards killing people without an opt-out clause. Regardless of whether or not we opted out the rape relief centre would go ahead, so the only real issue is one of personal morality.

Of course, if a significant number of people opted out for this reason, the rape relief centre would have to pull the morning after pill, and just provide counselling and other services to help the woman.

[Ben Kenobi]

if you cannot fill the prescription given to you, let someone else do it, and don't drive the customer away.

And for some reason, this accomodation attracts tons of fire from everybody else.

[Ben Kenobi]

Since epilepsy is still less understood than many diseases, even today it remains more mysterious as less well understood for the general populace.

Mordoch:

True, but it still fails for the same reason as the claim that one's religion only allows them to work a 4 day week. Religious freedom does not need to accomodate the hypothetical, but rather the actual beliefs.