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  • #61
    Originally posted by Edan
    If he doesn't win 5 of the 7 states, he'll perform below expectations - that will slow down his momentum.
    Well, given how red-hot it is, unless it stops, Kerry wins it all- remember that the huge prizes come on March 3 and the question is, will Clark and Edwards have time to build in the coming states?

    Liebermans problem isn't lack of appeal so much as his lack of campaign ability, IMO.
    Lieberman is trying to win the DEMOCRATIC nomination- and running on a completely moderate platform: he is trying to say : hey, the electorate as a whole would like me best, so if you want to beat W vote for me! Problem is, that by itself is not enough, and given the latest polls, Kerry, who is more solidly Democrat (Lieberman might as well be a moderate NE republican...) has claimed that line.
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    • #62
      So many primaries, and so few in states of any heft.

      What a screwed up system.
      If you don't like reality, change it! me
      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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      • #63
        Actually, it's perfect. You see who the smaller states go for and get rid of the smaller competitors so that the big states make the big decisions.
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        • #64
          With 10% in New Mexico:

          Kerry 28%
          Dean 26%
          Clark 25%
          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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          • #65
            Arizona: 2%

            John Kerry 2,415 37%
            Wesley Clark 2,116 33%
            Howard Dean 1,120 17%
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            • #66
              There we go. 42% in Arizona.

              John Kerry 20,699 44%
              Wesley Clark 12,377 26%
              Howard Dean 7,376 16%

              Dean has to stay over 15% to get any delegates.
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              • #67
                EDWARDS WINS S. CAROLINA!

                N. Mexico: 15%

                John Kerry 7,209 29%
                Howard Dean 6,317 25%
                Wesley Clark 6,204 25%


                Arizona: 52%

                John Kerry 32,126 41%
                Wesley Clark 20,359 26%
                Howard Dean 13,237 17%
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by GePap
                  So many primaries, and so few in states of any heft.

                  What a screwed up system.
                  No doubt that March 3 will tell the tale, but next weeks big prizes are Tennessee and Virginia. Two states Edwards could win. If he does, then that may throw March 3 up in the air. Really interesting race this year.
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by GePap


                    Well, given how red-hot it is, unless it stops, Kerry wins it all- remember that the huge prizes come on March 3 and the question is, will Clark and Edwards have time to build in the coming states?
                    Well, part of the problem is that Dean has (had?) a sizeable chunk of those states - whether those votes stay, go to kerry or to other candidates remains to be seen. A month is a long time, although certainly, even with a drop in momentum, Kerry will still have the edge, since the spotlight wont be soley on any one of the other candidates.

                    Lieberman is trying to win the DEMOCRATIC nomination- and running on a completely moderate platform: he is trying to say : hey, the electorate as a whole would like me best, so if you want to beat W vote for me! Problem is, that by itself is not enough, and given the latest polls, Kerry, who is more solidly Democrat (Lieberman might as well be a moderate NE republican...) has claimed that line.
                    True, but part of the reason they see Kerry as more electable is because he's already managed to win states already, while one's barely heard/seen much of Lieberman for the last couple of months.
                    "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                    • #70
                      Oklahoma: 93%

                      Wesley Clark 82,952 30%
                      John Edwards 82,073 30%
                      John Kerry 72,866 26%

                      New Mexico: 22%

                      John Kerry 8,198 30%
                      Howard Dean 6,559 24%
                      Wesley Clark 6,549 24%
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                      • #71
                        Oklahoma: 95%

                        Wesley Clark 86,467 30%
                        John Edwards 85,661 30%
                        John Kerry 76,717 27%

                        Kerry just keeps on creeping.

                        Edwards is still 800 behind Clark.
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                        • #72
                          97% and Clark is pulling ahead in Oklahoma

                          Clark 89,173 30%
                          Edwards 87,342 30%
                          Kerry 78,765 27%
                          "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Edan


                            Well, part of the problem is that Dean has (had?) a sizeable chunk of those states - whether those votes stay, go to kerry or to other candidates remains to be seen. A month is a long time, although certainly, even with a drop in momentum, Kerry will still have the edge, since the spotlight wont be soley on any one of the other candidates.
                            Well, there are a few contests along the way, including big states like Michigan. If Kerry wins those, he keep momentum..if Dean wins them (he will return to spending in those late feb contests) he has some rays of hope come the big day.

                            True, but part of the reason they see Kerry as more electable is because he's already managed to win states already, while one's barely heard/seen much of Lieberman for the last couple of months.
                            The thing was that Liberman spent all of early jan concentrating in NH and he came in 5th. He put lots of his scant reosurces into Oklahoma and Delaware, and he could not get more than 12% in either of those states. I mean, in one state he came in after Kucinich!

                            Plenty of people heard about Lieberman (he did get endoresed by some NH and SC papers) and still democratic rimary voters rejected him bigtime. He might have been able to pull 15% in NY and gotten some delegates, but now it is over.
                            If you don't like reality, change it! me
                            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                            • #74
                              Top Three in each state as of 10:45 PM EST
                              x - Denotes Projected Winner

                              Arizona - 62% Reporting

                              x-Kerry
                              Clark
                              Dean

                              Delaware - 100% Reporting

                              x-Kerry
                              Lieberman
                              Edwards

                              Missouri - 63% Reporting

                              x-Kerry
                              Edwards
                              Dean

                              New Mexico - 30% Reporting

                              Kerry 9,673 32%
                              Clark 7,188 24%
                              Dean 6,897 23%

                              North Dakota - 100% Reporting

                              x-Kerry
                              Clark
                              Dean

                              Oklahoma - 97% Reporting

                              Clark 89,173 30%
                              Edwards 87,342 30%
                              Kerry 78,765 27%

                              South Carolina - 88% Reporting

                              x-Edwards
                              Kerry
                              Sharpton

                              Great showing for Kerry and Edwards, good showing for Clark, alright showing for Sharpton, poor showing for Dean.
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                              • #75
                                New Mexico: 34%

                                John Kerry 10,210 33%
                                Wesley Clark 7,362 24%
                                Howard Dean 6,999 22%

                                Kerry's opened a nine point lead.

                                Dean is done.
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