philosophy about god

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
you are assigning a sense of person-hood or identity to something inanimate... the "universe" cannot "know" or do anything we visualize sentient life forms doing.

Of course it can, in the same way a "computer" can "know" something - it can possess certain information.

[Snowflake]

All I'm trying to say is, we can not really argue anything outside of our conciousness. Of course we can guess and debate all we like, but we have no way to verify who and what is correct, at least not until we "evolve" to something that are at similar level of the god himself.

As for whether we ourselves really exist, well, we may very well be creations of some higher intelligence units and all the "feelings" and "thinkings" may be illusions that are fed into us. Well at least to us we exist, in other words we exist in our own world. So I'd say live it and experience it, whether someone or something exist outside of us and is in control of us really doesn't matter. Enjoy life when you are still not picked up by that two year old higher intelligent unit. For this is your only chance of "existing".

[Sava]

Originally posted by skywalker


Of course it can, in the same way a "computer" can "know" something - it can possess certain information.

so computers are sentient beings now?

sorry... inanimate objects cannot possess traits of consciousness.

try again

btw, that first post... the one where you replied I was a moron... wasn't in reference to anything you said. but thanks for the insult jackass

[Enigma_Nova]

Originally posted by curtsibling
I expect our species will outgrow these immature notions in time.

Wanna bet?
I reckon that in INF years time (presuming we're still around) we'll still have a relic of the Ten Commandments in some law somewhere.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Sava
so computers are sentient beings now?

sorry... inanimate objects cannot possess traits of consciousness.

try again

"Knowing" isn't a property of consciousness. The computer "knows" in the sense that the information is contained in it. No sentience required.

btw, that first post... the one where you replied I was a moron... wasn't in reference to anything you said. but thanks for the insult jackass

Then you are threadjacking, and trolling in what I had intended to be a philisophical thread.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by HongHu
All I'm trying to say is, we can not really argue anything outside of our conciousness. Of course we can guess and debate all we like, but we have no way to verify who and what is correct, at least not until we "evolve" to something that are at similar level of the god himself.

As for whether we ourselves really exist, well, we may very well be creations of some higher intelligence units and all the "feelings" and "thinkings" may be illusions that are fed into us. Well at least to us we exist, in other words we exist in our own world. So I'd say live it and experience it, whether someone or something exist outside of us and is in control of us really doesn't matter. Enjoy life when you are still not picked up by that two year old higher intelligent unit. For this is your only chance of "existing".

Huh? I'm not arguing the properties of anything I say is real. Let me repeat: I merely am examining how morality would apply to an omnipotent being, and what this means for traditional morality. I came to the conclusion that while our goal is to eliminate "evil", to achieve that would make life ultimately worthless.

[monkspider]

The answers to these questions are not far, Sky.

[BustaMike]

This basically sums up my view (and it's from a kickass album too )

[needle]

They should make a movie of the Bible, split into two parts:

"WAR-GOD OF THE ISRAELITES" and "THE THING WITH THREE SOULS"

[Fake Boris]

UR and Sky, I think the question about the rock should be put this way: can an infinitely powerful being lift a rock with an infinite weight?

Then again, I guess an omnipotent being could just change the laws of gravity to lift anything he likes.

Even then, I suspect we might get to a Kant-like argument: if reason is in itself its own goal, we could argue that omnipotence similarly is: omnipotence is not stronger than itself. It is in this paradox that we find the idea that true understanding of omnipotence would be unaccesible to the human mind. Just like the result of 28/0 could be (well, I'm not so good in math, so I might be wrong here).

[Fake Boris]

Again, about God- if God is perfect, then he must be omnipotent. So yes, if the Bible says that God is perfect, or you believe him to be, then logically he is omnipotent.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by skywalker


Huh? I'm not arguing the properties of anything I say is real. Let me repeat: I merely am examining how morality would apply to an omnipotent being, and what this means for traditional morality. I came to the conclusion that while our goal is to eliminate "evil", to achieve that would make life ultimately worthless.

I was replying to some of the posts in this thread instead of directly answering your question skywalker. But to answer your question it would be the same logic, that "morality" is a term that we can apply in the world we live in, and that we cannot apply it to anything that is outside of our conciousness, omnipotent or not.

Though I think I'd agree with you, if all "evil" is eliminated, then we all would be in heaven, and the earth form would indeed be really worthless and would not even exist at all.

[Aqualung71]

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[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
All we can say is that an essential quality of God must be omnipotence.

Ah, now why would that necessarily be the case? Exactly why MUST god be omnipotent?

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by skywalker


Well, given the definition of universe (the set of all that exists), if God isn't within the universe, then God doesn't exist and wrt the "laws" of said universe, one of those "laws" would be that God was omnipotent.

Plus, I'm not assuming outside our universe. I'm really talking about the philosophical implications of omnipotence.

So if the universe is all that exists, what is a "parallel universe"?

And what about anti-matter? In what type of universe does this exist (or should I say, not-exist?)?