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The only "thing" that meets most if not all the criteria of God is the Universe itself.
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The universe is certainly not omniscient, for starters...(\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
(='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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the posibility of a single conscious, omnipotent, omniscient being is so absurd...
also, the posibility that some dopey humans thousands of years ago knows the will of this "god" is even more absurd than the posibility of said god actually existing...
the only fact regarding god, the afterlife, creation, etc... is that we dopey humans don't know **** about it.
and anybody who says otherwise is wrong. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, it doesn't matter... they are all wrong.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
The universe is certainly not omniscient, for starters...
but if the universe encompases everything, then it knows everything that is going on, but in a radically different way to how we know we are eating dinnereimi men anthropos pollon logon, mikras de sophiasComment
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you are assigning a sense of person-hood or identity to something inanimate... the "universe" cannot "know" or do anything we visualize sentient life forms doing.Originally posted by The Andy-Man
but if the universe encompases everything, then it knows everything that is going on, but in a radically different way to how we know we are eating dinner
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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The fictional concept of 'God' is just a human desire to remove responsiblity for human actions.
I expect our species will outgrow these immature notions in time.Comment
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I agree...Originally posted by curtsibling
The fictional concept of 'God' is just a human desire to remove responsiblity for human actions.
I doubt it. If our species evolves into a creature with more intelligence, then perhaps...I expect our species will outgrow these immature notions in time.To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Do you believe that intelligence has a direct correlation with whether someone believes in a god or not?“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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Omnipotence, impotence... they all sound alike.
Sounds like yall are debating over whether god cant get it up.:-pComment
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That would explain a lot of his frustration and anger in the Old Testament.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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not necessarily... I feel it has more to do with social conditioning... most children get religion crammed down there throats before they are old enough to think critically. And not to say religious people are necessarily stupid. In fact, the institution of religion was responsible for education for much of the past few hundred (even thousand) years.Originally posted by DaShi
Do you believe that intelligence has a direct correlation with whether someone believes in a god or not?To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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I think some people do believe that though. Therefore, they feel in order to be or appear intelligent they must renounce the existance of a god and treat it as a superstition. In short, they often give real atheists a bad name.
As for myself, I was raised Catholic, but I really don't practice that much. My relationship with God is personal, and I admit that logic and reason have little to do with or are even necessary for it. It is my way.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"Comment
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Yup, and in doing so removes his omnipotence. So if a being is omnipotent at one time, it doesn't not mean that the being is omnipotent at a future time. There is no contradiction.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Omnipotence is self-contradictory.
Simplest argument: can an omnipotent being make a rock so heavy that even it can't lift?Comment
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Originally posted by Sava
the posibility of a single conscious, omnipotent, omniscient being is so absurd...
also, the posibility that some dopey humans thousands of years ago knows the will of this "god" is even more absurd than the posibility of said god actually existing...
the only fact regarding god, the afterlife, creation, etc... is that we dopey humans don't know **** about it. and anybody who says otherwise is wrong. Christian, Jewish, Muslim, it doesn't matter... they are all wrong.
Sava, you're being a moron. I'm not talking about the possibilites or anything, I'm merely discussing the implications (specifically, the moral implications) of omnipotence.Comment
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The universe is by definition omniscient - it possesses, in itself, all of the information about itself.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
The universe is certainly not omniscient, for starters...Comment
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