Brit Liberal MP in PLENTY hot water

[Snotty]

Interestingly enough, it seems Tonge has spent some time working in Israel in her old role in the cabinet. She was in Gaza 6 months ago when there was an airstrike against a Hamas leader in the city.

http://www.libdems.org.uk/index.cfm/page.homepage/section.home/article.4821

This puts her in a much stronger position to comment on motive for suicide bombing, after seeing the effects of Israeli policies firsthand.

I think Kennedy was wrong to let her go. This may get some bad press, but others will be thankful attention has been drawn to this subject.

[Ned]

How can the Brits who slaughtered millions of German civilians in the last war for the purposes of revenge and to futher their war aims even begin to legitimately show outrage at the pro-homicide bomber position of this grandmother.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned
How can the Brits who slaughtered millions of German civilians in the last war for the purposes of revenge and to futher their war aims even begin to legitimately show outrage at the pro-homicide bomber position of this grandmother.

So in the Nedaverse, the only people capable of making any complaints about anyone else are....the Amish perhaps?

[Ned]

If the Brits apologized for their crimes to the people of Germany, my views on the Brits would moderate.

[Snotty]

Like saying, 'We are sorry, we did some really awful stuff too' ? Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.

[Ben Kenobi]

the only people capable of making any complaints about anyone else are....the Amish perhaps?

[chequita guevara]

Ned, aren't all bombers who kill people homocide bombers?

[Whaleboy]

How can the Brits who slaughtered millions of German civilians in the last war for the purposes of revenge and to futher their war aims even begin to legitimately show outrage at the pro-homicide bomber position of this grandmother.

Perhaps I, being born 40 years after WWII, am not representative for the actions of the nations in which I live, during that war?

[The Andy-Man]

well SHE is a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT after all.

A formidibal combo at the best of times

[Buck Birdseed]

Has the US apologised for Hiroshima/Nagasaki?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Snotty
Interestingly enough, it seems Tonge has spent some time working in Israel in her old role in the cabinet. She was in Gaza 6 months ago when there was an airstrike against a Hamas leader in the city.

http://www.libdems.org.uk/index.cfm/page.homepage/section.home/article.4821

This puts her in a much stronger position to comment on motive for suicide bombing, after seeing the effects of Israeli policies firsthand..

Or seeing the effects of the PA's policies, from an alternative point of view.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Snotty
Shes not really been sacked, merely asked to leave the shadow (shadow) cabinet. She will still work as an MP, but was planning on quitting that for good next general election anyway.

I don't think what she said was really support for homicide. To find any solution to the Palestine problem, you have to understand all the factors that drive them to it.

If my grandparents had been forced out of their homes in the 40s, I had grown up under that legacy, and had my fervent religious teachers telling me this was the thing to do, then I could fully understand the desire to become a suicide bomber.

That doesn't mean I support what they do, just as Tonge didn't support it.

so if this eminent MP had been brought up in a right wing orthodox Israeli family she might have become a settler, and if as a settler she had seen friend and relatives murdered, she might have become an anti-arab racist, an advocate of the expulsion of the Palestinians, or worse. Did she mention that in her speech??? Obviously the statement was more than a though exercise to prove that all human actions have causes - it was an attempt to show sympathy for the perpetrators of certain actions, and to implicity excuse them, in whole or in part.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by GePap


That is a caveat on the fact that most of the israeli public would in a second give up all of Gaza and 90% of the west bank today, as long as they are walled-even in todays security situation. Besides opposing the great disruption to palestinian lives such a wall represents, the Pal fear (and also the right-right wing fear) is that such a wall would become the border de-factor, and since it does retain the big suburban settlements, the pals lose land without negotiation.

but its those suburban settlements that are in land that is considered to have strategic value to Israel - that land is largely what the dispute is about, not the remote settlements, or the right of the Pals to a state.

[Buck Birdseed]

Surely the "debate" is centered around the Israelis wanting to continue to oppress and humiliate the palestinians when the only morally acceptable move would be to get the **** out of there, now, without any caveats of any kind and pay the pals ****loads of money for all the pain that's been caused to them for the past 50 years?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Surely the "debate" is centered around the Israelis wanting to continue to oppress and humiliate the palestinians when the only morally acceptable move would be to get the **** out of there, now, without any caveats of any kind and pay the pals ****loads of money for all the pain that's been caused to them for the past 50 years?

No, its not.