If the US civil war was fought today...

[Whaleboy]

Should I tell Nat your intentions now?

*Whaleboy strikes down Drogue with great vengeance and furious anger*

[Drogue]

Any reference to Pulp Fiction can't be bad!

[SlowwHand]

I never thought I'd live to see the day, but am I ever happy you showed up to help out with these blue-bellies, MtG.

[Whaleboy]

First the incest comment and now this! Someone's got marriage on the mind

*Jaw hits floor*.

I am shocked and appalled that you could ever accuse me of such a thing. We both know that I'm polyamourous . *Whaleboy dreams of better days, when, among other things, he did not annotate himself*

Any reference to Pulp Fiction can't be bad!

William, never before have I agreed with you so strongly

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


So how was the unemployment and economic displacement of several millions of people to be handled by that glorious, generous Federal government of the time? By Lincoln's idea of invading Granada (modern Nicragua) to create a state to which former slaves could be transported?

Show me any human, moral stance by the antebellum Federal government regarding the issue.

How presumptuous of you to think that I worship the federal government as being flawless in the past or present just because I have pointed out that states' rights has historically been weak as a principle simply because advocates of any issue have gone to hypocritical lengths in favoring stronger federal government OR stronger states' rights -- whichever one happens to advance their position.

In past threads about the Civil War, I have pointed out the hypocrisies of the federal government, and in our first class last week of our Civil War seminar, I was the first one to bring up for discussion how Northern leaders were fine with bring equal rights for blacks during Reconstruction, but not to women, Chinese immigrants, or poor laborers.

[Whaleboy]

Southerners: Would it be fair to say that the North's stance on slavery was a mere pretense?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Patroklos
The US government supporte slavery for quite ahile, as well as second class citizenship for woman, etc. etc. Just becasue the States made the wrong decision doesn't mean the system was wrong. I can't think of any modern state that hasn't made decisions of the same bad taste in their existance.

Out of curiosity Mr. Fun, bieng that slavery was quickly becoming economically unprofitable to the poor whites, if there was no Civil War how long do you think it would have lasted?

Yes -- and Northern textile industry was intimately tied with Southern slavery in antebellum America.

See my posted response to MTG -- the Northern states had their own hypocrisies to match the states' rights advocates of the Southern states.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
*Jaw hits floor*.

I am shocked and appalled that you could ever accuse me of such a thing. We both know that I'm polyamourous . *Whaleboy dreams of better days, when, among other things, he did not annotate himself*

I'll just stick to being amorous

[SlowwHand]

Bingo, Whaleboy. Without question.

[Whaleboy]

And a better speller no doubt . Such promise for my intended career...

[Whaleboy]

Sloww: Assuming us to be correct, I must say that I support the South in that case, and see the actions of the Union as an aggressive invasion. World domination aside, I really do admire Texas .

[Drogue]

Sure I might support states rights, but whether the North cared about slavery or not they managed to stop it. That action alone, whether intended or not, would lead me to fight for the North, if anyone.

[Whaleboy]

Drogue: Relativism causes me to not give a ****

A bad joke as we both know

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Verto
Behold, THE NEW WORLD ORDER:

The Second Texas Republic!

You need to redraw the map to include ALL of Oklahoma because we'll be fighting with you from the get go. And you need us to help offset the Hispanic majority.

But the food! Mexican, Tex-Mex, and white southern gravy over fried anything. Mmmmmmmmmm

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by MrFun
A bunch of drivel...

Nice speech, honey, but how about instead of just whining about one thing or another, you come up with a viable alternative policy, that would fit with the majority view of the Yankees in their Federal and state governments?

The only "hypocrisy" you've ever cited regarding the south and State's Rights has been the Fugitive Slave Act, but that was a constitutionally mandated obligation of the Federal government to enforce the Full Faith and Credit clause, which was in the original body of the Constitution and has never been amended. The southern states took their sovereignty seriously.