If the US civil war was fought today...

[SlowwHand]

Thanks, Whaleboy.
Run a Google search on "Slavery in Northern United States".
SOME would have you believe the yield would be nil.
They would be wrong, yet again.

Of course, I knew all this before the advent of such easy research.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Nice speech, honey, but how about instead of just whining about one thing or another, you come up with a viable alternative policy, that would fit with the majority view of the Yankees in their Federal and state governments?

The only "hypocrisy" you've ever cited regarding the south and State's Rights has been the Fugitive Slave Act, but that was a constitutionally mandated obligation of the Federal government to enforce the Full Faith and Credit clause, which was in the original body of the Constitution and has never been amended. The southern states took their sovereignty seriously.

He called me "honey" . . . . . . .

To be more objective about the history of the Civil War, you need to stop glorifying and heroifying the South to the point of myhologizing -- just as others need to stop glorifying and heroifying the Union to the point of mythologizing.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Don't worry, for you, "honey" is a term of condescension, not endearment.



Mythologizing what?

You think I don't have contempt for the vast majority of southern politicians and the plantation owning class? Or the loud-mouth fat-asses that ran most of the southern press?

Or those hotheads from further south that got the whole thing started before we were ready?

The whole thing comes down to sovereignty and whether the southern states were willing to let foreign states invade them and forcibly terminate their individual sovereignty and subordinate them to a central government - the very thing we all rebelled against 85 year previously.

My answer to that would be to give the bayonet to any such invader.

[MrFun]

My Civil War seminar professor argued that there are two different interpretations of the Civil War -- popular culture that glorifies the "Lost Cause" and professional, scholarly work that avoids glorifying the Union or the Confederacy.

Guess which one your interpretation belongs in, MTG??

[SlowwHand]

Need some paint to touch up that pot, MF?

[MichaeltheGreat]

There are two types of people in this world...

Those who argue that complex events are subject to two interpretations, and those who don't give a fair damn for simplistic categorizations of the War of Yankee Aggression.

Guess which group I'm in?

[chequita guevara]

Don't you mean The War of Southern Treason?

[SpencerH]

Given the high numbers of pacifists that appear to live in the north, I think the south would kick butt.

[chequita guevara]

We outnumber you and would out produce you, again. Plus, with all the Yankees living in the South, and the fact that you're still occupied by the U.S. military, I don't see much hope for another War of Southern Treason.

Only this time, we'll make sure we finish with Reconstruction before lettin' y'all back into the Union.

[SlowwHand]

A commie, calling someone else treasonous.

I needed that.

[SpencerH]

I think a higher percentage of the military is from the south than the north. Anyone know for sure, and wasnt that true originally?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Don't you mean The War of Southern Treason?

One can only be a traitor if one owes a higher allegience to a specific state or nation.

[chequita guevara]

Maybe so, but they're highly trained and loyal and I doubt they'd rebell.

[MrFun]

Re: There are two types of people in this world...

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Those who argue that complex events are subject to two interpretations, and those who don't give a fair damn for simplistic categorizations of the War of Yankee Aggression.

Guess which group I'm in?

Serious, scholarly study on the War of Southern Stupidity requires historians to avoid glorifying the Union OR glorifying the Confederacy.

I know that Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation for instance, was part of a military strategy that did not apply to all the slaves (especially those in the slave states that remained in the Union). Or how Union troops have committed crimes against black refugees.

I am not naive enough to think that states' rights by itself was the issue that caused secession -- instead, I know that states' rights was and continues to be, a means to an end towards whatever issue is important for a particular group of people.

[Patroklos]

It also requires you not to get lost in your own rhetoric, or what you call the "Lost Cause."

I took more than one class ont he Civil War myself, bieng from an area where it is all around me, and the "Lost Cause" theory of yours is a VERY minority view amongst scholars and not supported by anyone of renown, though a less strict variation of it has been incorporated by many.