Newsflash: Spain "not the Arabian desert of 14 centuries ago..."

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by St Leo

Originally posted by notyoueither
Actually, that would most likely end you up in court in Canada too.

Are you sure? Irreversible made it through fine.

An instruction manual would most likely run afoul of the hate law.

[Drake Tungsten]

You are not free to yell 'Fire' in a theatre, and you are not allowed to give instructions on how to beat your wife and hide it. Where is the huge leap?

Yelling "fire" in a theater creates an imminent risk of harm to everyone within the theater. A movie that tells people how to beat their wives does no such thing (unless it hypnotizes the audience and orders them to beat their wives right then and there).

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
What if the movie is called "How to Beat Your Wife The Muslim Way"?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Work-of-fiction vs. instruction manual. Still in poor taste, but many people have enough sense in their head to not take the movie as a green light to beat their wife.

People take the message that they want to from any work regardless if it is a work of fiction, instruction manual, or documentry.

[DRoseDARs]

Well, I already touched the yelling 'fire' vs. beating wive scenario in an earlier post, so

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Sprayber


People take the message that they want to from any work regardless if it is a work of fiction, instruction manual, or documentry.

And yet governments deem it necessary to write laws telling people not to do things that they should already know not to do. Funny that.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by notyoueither


An instruction manual would most likely run afoul of the hate law.

I don't want to be a smartass, but how is one supposed to tell the difference between an instruction manual and a creative work. Does it have to say somewhere that it is an instruction manual. Could I write a book about a character beating is wife endlessly and describing in great detail without getting in trouble as long as I put a disclaimer saying that I don't condone such things. I'm just curious

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

You are not free to yell 'Fire' in a theatre, and you are not allowed to give instructions on how to beat your wife and hide it. Where is the huge leap?

Yelling "fire" in a theater creates an imminent risk of harm to everyone within the theater. A movie that tells people how to beat their wives does no such thing (unless it hypnotizes the audience and orders them to beat their wives right then and there).

Must be cross posts. I am speaking of a religious instruction manual, not a movie. Oh, should I say that is in regards to not being allowed to promote hatred (or violence) against an identifiable group, and not screaming something in a theatre?

[Drake Tungsten]

Oh, should I say that is in regards to not being allowed to promote hatred (or violence) against an identifiable group, and not screaming something in a theatre?

Promotion of hatred, while certainly offensive, falls quite clearly under the purview of free speech in civilized nations.

[Shi Huangdi]

We have had similar issues in the USA with people trying to sue NAMBLA as incitement towards molestation, and I think there have also been cases where racist demoguages have been trialed for inciting to violence when their disciples kill someone.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Sprayber


I don't want to be a smartass, but how is one supposed to tell the difference between an instruction manual and a creative work. Does it have to say somewhere that it is an instruction manual. Could I write a book about a character beating is wife endlessly and describing in great detail without getting in trouble as long as I put a disclaimer saying that I don't condone such things. I'm just curious

We are splitting hairs up here. A fellow was acquitted of child porn offences because what he did was write stories. They were protected for 'artistic merit'.

Meanwhile, an instruction manual on how to do such and such would lead to a conviction.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs


And yet governments deem it necessary to write laws telling people not to do things that they should already know not to do. Funny that.

So Spain thinks that it's citizens will go out and beat their wives because of this book? I hope that Spain, like the United States, has ways of dealing with men who beat their wifes through legal means. The bible talks of god asking Abraham to sacrifice his only son. I wonder if Spain will determine that action needs to be taken there as well..

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Oh, should I say that is in regards to not being allowed to promote hatred (or violence) against an identifiable group, and not screaming something in a theatre?

Promotion of hatred, while certainly offensive, falls quite clearly under the purview of free speech in civilized nations.

Only in the United States of the Right to Bear Uzis, sir. Everywhere else is putting checks on individual idiocy when it gets close to harming, or promoting harm, of others.

[Drake Tungsten]

Here comes Godwin...

Originally posted by notyoueither
Only in the United States of the Right to Bear Uzis, sir. Everywhere else is putting checks on individual idiocy when it gets close to harming, or promoting harm, of others.

Oh yeah?!? Well, I think that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them. [/Dr. Henry Jones mode]

[Sikander]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Well, I already touched the yelling 'fire' vs. beating wive scenario in an earlier post, so

Your honor, I was beating my wife because she was on fire.