Newsflash: Spain "not the Arabian desert of 14 centuries ago..."

[DRoseDARs]

Imran, I never stated my belief Mustafa beat his own wife, though Asher makes a good point. Either way, instructing people how to beat others does not qualify as free speech as far as I'm concerned.

And yes, my contention is still that he should have known better. He isn't living in the Middle East, he's in Europe. The cultures are different and he should have educated himself as to what would have and would not have be viewed kindly upon by his non-knuckledragging neighbors.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Wasn't the purpose of the book to instruct how to beat the wife without leaving any evidence?

Not at all. I quoted the passages to show the bias in the article. Again, you don't want to leave bruises and scars because that would be EXCESSIVE! He said just in a symbolic way, ie, not to cause great pain... kinda like the nuns in relgious schools tapping a ruler across people's hands.

Judging from the views in this thread I think I'll write a book on the best ways to abuse children without leaving any physically traceable evidence. Sounds like it'd be a winner in the States. Yay for my free speech!

A. It wouldn't be banned.

B. Read what I wrote to Asher about this.

[Drake Tungsten]

The prophet Muhammed would not approve of you, Mr. Mustafa.

Yes, he would...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Either way, instructing people how to beat others does not qualify as free speech as far as I'm concerned.

So something isn't free speech if you don't agree with it? Way to go .

I guess you are going to ban video games because instructing people on how to kill others doesn't qualify as free speech, yeah?

my contention is still that he should have known better. He isn't living in the Middle East, he's in Europe. The cultures are different and he should have educated himself as to what would have and would not have be viewed kindly upon by his non-knuckledragging neighbors.

So contrary views are not welcome in the West? Are you sure we aren't knuckledragging then?

[DRoseDARs]

*Sigh* Instructing people how to physically harm others is not ok and should not be considered free speech anymore than yelling fire in a movie theater. Harm can come from yelling fire, but it doesn't necessarily happen. Harm can come from people reading this book, but it doesn't necessarily happen. Why is one instance forbodden and the other not? Why is one free speech and the other not?

Civilized people don't treat women as possessions. I'm tolerant of most things, but I flat-out do not approve of any Human being treated as second-class citizens (or worse) anywhere.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I'm just glad that in the US something like this wouldn't be banned. Just because we think it's wrong doesn't mean we should silence it. That's also part of freedom of speech... freedom for the one we don't like.

This from a guy who wants to ban fighting in hockey.

[Drake Tungsten]

Instructing people how to physically harm others is not ok and should not be considered free speech anymore than yelling fire in a movie theater.

So, you want to ban all books on martial arts as well? Where do you draw the line?

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Tingkai


This from a guy who wants to ban fighting in hockey.

Come on, let's not split hairs.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Instructing people how to physically harm others is not ok and should not be considered free speech anymore than yelling fire in a movie theater.

So, you want to ban all books on martial arts as well? Where do you draw the line?

Not every movement in the martial arts involves breaking your opponent's neck in 56 places. Many involve keeping them away without causing any harm. Martial arts are a cultural thing, like beating wives, and you have to weigh carefully what is and is not acceptable treatment of another person. Life-and-death combat is a whole other realm from what most of us are used to, so much of the ma is merely performance anyway. The imam calls for the training of your wife to obey you through negative reenforcement, not to put on a performance for friends and relatives.

[Sprayber]

How about movies where wife beating is depected?

[notyoueither]

Actually, that would most likely end you up in court in Canada too.

The Americans seem to be alone in placing freedom for self over rights for all others effected by self.

[DRoseDARs]

Work-of-fiction vs. instruction manual. Still in poor taste, but many people have enough sense in their head to not take the movie as a green light to beat their wife.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Actually, that would most likely end you up in court in Canada too.

Are you sure? Irreversible made it through fine.

[Drake Tungsten]

What if the movie is called "How to Beat Your Wife The Muslim Way"?

[notyoueither]

You are not free to yell 'Fire' in a theatre, and you are not allowed to give instructions on how to beat your wife and hide it. Where is the huge leap?