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  • #196
    Originally posted by Lord Merciless


    I didn't mention California because it was taken from Mexico, as far as I can remember.
    No, the war involved a border dispute in Texas and Mexico's protest concerning the whole question of annexation, IIRC. I think they allowed Texas (a Mexican State) independence on the condition that it not join the United States.

    We purchased California for $15 million.

    It is interesting that Texas was involved in two wars of secession in a very short period of time, winning one.
    http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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    • #197
      Originally posted by bfg9000


      What's the worst that could happen? A sparsely populated region of the U.S. has a catastrophic event occur. Hardly makes you feel like you need to pack your bags for the moon. Those things blow once every 700 million years, dont they? Yeah. You might have had a better argument if this was the Cold War 1980's when everyone had nuclear annihilation on their minds.
      Well, technically the worst that could happen is that North America gets covered with 6 feet of burning ash, the skies across the world darken and humanity is thrown into a genetic bottleneck as world population crashes from 6 billion to a few hundred thousand in a matter of years.
      Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
      -Richard Dawkins

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      • #198
        Ooooh, just thought of some more bad things that are good reasons to leave Earth:

        > Asteroid/comet impact of sufficient size destablise the climate.
        > Our own attempts at climate change and the ensuring fun and destruction that would cause.
        > Can you say pandemic? Ebola's not friendly and it's just one of thousands of diseases waiting the chance/mutation to merrily skip across the world.
        > Or maybe we could have one of the dormant retroviruses in the human genome reawaken. Fun!
        > There's always mankind's crazy nature, with its wars, terrorism, and fondness of nuclear weaponary.
        > Thus leading me to my existentialist final point. The best reason to get off this rock? Other people live on Earth.
        Exult in your existence, because that very process has blundered unwittingly on its own negation. Only a small, local negation, to be sure: only one species, and only a minority of that species; but there lies hope. [...] Stand tall, Bipedal Ape. The shark may outswim you, the cheetah outrun you, the swift outfly you, the capuchin outclimb you, the elephant outpower you, the redwood outlast you. But you have the biggest gifts of all: the gift of understanding the ruthlessly cruel process that gave us all existence [and the] gift of revulsion against its implications.
        -Richard Dawkins

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        • #199
          Originally posted by Ned
          It is interesting that Texas was involved in two wars of secession in a very short period of time, winning one.
          Three, actually. It tried to break away from Mexico in 1825, calling itself Freedonia. That one didn't get to far.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #200
            We purchased California for $15 million
            No, we conquered California, and then offered the Mexicans $15 million to push them to accept the peace treaty we wanted.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #201
              Originally posted by Ramo


              No, we conquered California, and then offered the Mexicans $15 million to push them to accept the peace treaty we wanted.
              Ramo, the point is that the war was about Texas. We purchased Kalifornia.
              http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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              • #202
                Right now the US spends several dozen billion a year on wars. Space exploration is a far cheaper way of feeding our need to expand.
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                • #203
                  Originally posted by Starchild
                  > Ebola's not friendly and it's just one of thousands of diseases waiting the chance/mutation to merrily skip across the world.
                  It kills too quickly to become a pandemic. Also the very mutation that allows it to become airborne keeps it from being lethal to humans.
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                  • #204
                    Ramo, the point is that the war was about Texas. We purchased Kalifornia
                    No, the point of the war was to annex California. And you don't purchase things when you're pointing a gun at a guy; the $15 million was part of the peace treaty (namely, Guadeloupe-Hidalgo).

                    Consider that Mexico flatly rejected an attempt to buy California before the war; IIRC Mexcio totally ignored our negiator, Slidell (which in fact we took as a diplomatic insult - and were about to use as a pretext for war if we couldn't manufacture a border dispute). And $15 million was hardly what the land was worth.
                    Last edited by Ramo; January 13, 2004, 15:01.
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                    • #205
                      Originally posted by Sava
                      hmmm.... bush wants to go to mars... maybe somebody told him there's oil there.
                      No, get ready for the announcement that he has proof of WMDs on Mars...

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                      • #206
                        This will help Space Travel Technology, and we REALLY NEED Space Travel Technology!

                        Earth alone can't answer all our questions.

                        And by saying that this is all pointless is equal to asking yourself why you do anything at all.
                        be free

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                        • #207
                          Originally posted by Sn00py
                          This will help Space Travel Technology, and we REALLY NEED Space Travel Technology!

                          Earth alone can't answer all our questions.

                          And by saying that this is all pointless is equal to asking yourself why you do anything at all.
                          Well, I think New Zealand should lead the way in this effort. Go ahead, we'll give you all the moral support you need...

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                          • #208
                            Poll: Public tepid on Bush space plan

                            There are others with some sense in this country besides me...

                            cnn.com article

                            A new Associated Press poll finds that more than half say it would be better to spend the money on domestic programs rather than on space research.

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                            • #209
                              Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                              I just found my new signature.
                              If you are going to quote me, don't frame my quote with some lies about "kicking babies" - there was no discussion about kicking babies in this thread by me or anyone else.

                              You don't even have the balls to argue these statements with me within the thread.

                              Punk. Coward. *****.

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                              • #210
                                dp
                                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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