An explanation of why ME peace isn't possible

[Solver]

Listen, when the UN GA passes resolutions declaring Israel to be a racist state, when the Security Council routinely passes resolutions (that are vetoed by the US) that condemn only Israel for the violence, one knows that there is no hope for peace.

As I'm sure you are well aware, the UN GA votes are passed by the simple majority of votes from all countries. Arabs (and even more so all Muslims), as you also know very well, have many countries, so the majority isn't hard to get there.

And the European countries would rather officially support the Palestenians here, at least by UN votes, because they don't wan to piss off a billion of Muslims.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

that the existence of Israel is racisim.

In it's current state it is . Labeling a state as a 'Jewish state' and then saying it isn't racist is like labeling the state relgion in the US to be Anglicanism and then saying it conforms to free exercise.

Every single Arab state, as well as many non-Arab muslim states, list Islam as the state's official religion and require all Presidents/Prime Ministers to be Muslims. Why denounce one but not the other if their actions are the same? A bit of bias maybe?

[Sirotnikov]

Perhaps the Israeli offer of humanitarian assistance to Iran would not have the odious tinge of political opportunism to it, should there have been a track record of humane treatment of Muslims in the past.

*sigh*

i wanted to call you a name, but then i decided not to, and i will just put up some historical facts, in hope you will reconsider your theory, and prove yourself better.

1. aiding in the all the recent major scale earthquakes in the muslim country of turkey.
2. giving away water and medicine to palestinians during the operation defensive shield.
3. continuing supplying water to southern lebanese villages for free, after the withdrawal.

3 should do it for now.


as for the rest:

Israeli army bulldozers in knocking down buildings burying civilians under the rubble

name one incident when a civilian was burried under rubble from a knocked down building during the last 3 years.

if not outright driving over civilians, amongst them the american peace activist Rachel Corey.

The american peace activist Rachel "i'm going to stand infront of an armored bulldozer with a limited line of sight" Corey is a unique example of poor judgement by her, and poor visibility of the driver.

I'm sorry I sounded mean, but that's the case.

Also Israeli sharpshooters have shown themselves very capable of assasinating foreign peace activists.

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[Sirotnikov]

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[DerSchwarzfalke]

To the point of the original article, a number of Israeli not-for-profit relief organizations have begun organizing a collection of money, tents, medical supplies, and other such necessities for shipment to Iran. It is being done through a round about circuit involving the British embassy and other ridiculous middle measures.

The Iranian government reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story of an SS officer who refused a blood transfusion from an American because the medic said there was no way of knowing whether or not the blood was "Jewish." The SS officer died.

I, too, am surprised that this story of monumentally ridiculous racism did not make it into the popular news circuits.

[Solver]

I dare you to show me where in the Israeli law it says that PM/President got to be orthodox, or Jewish (by religion) at all.

[Dinner]

That is why it is laughable for the expressly racist states of the Arab world to whine about Israel being racist for such stupid little symantic reasons.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
I'm sorry I sounded mean, but that's the case.

If it sounded mean then it is probably beacuse you are a mean person. Fascist.

[Zevico]

If it sounded mean then it is probably beacuse you are a mean person.Fascist

For his next trick, Tripledoc will completely ignore anything of use that Sirotnikov wrote and call him a fascist! AMAZING!

[Imran Siddiqui]

That statement does not speak well of your education.

Actually it does... that I won't fall prey to the propaganda of some political group.

The distinction is only with regard to immigration.

That's still racist, whether its Germany, Russia, or Israel.

Every single Arab state, as well as many non-Arab muslim states, list Islam as the state's official religion and require all Presidents/Prime Ministers to be Muslims. Why denounce one but not the other if their actions are the same?

Because no one has brought up the Arab Race (actually they are part of the Semetic people) or other parts of races which are Islamic.

[Sirotnikov]

Tripledoc - I too was tempted to merely call you an idiot, but I decided against it and chose to attempt and have a civil conversation over facts.

Instead, you have chosen to attack me, for no reason might I add. Shows alot about your maturity and your level of thought.

If you still want to have a conversation you are welcome to respond.

As for the case of Rachel, what do you want me to say? If she wants to demonstrate infront of huge bulldozers which have very very limited line of sight, she should at least watch not to get under the wheeles.

The bulldozers are extra-protected and thus have an especially limited line of sight when it comes to the few meters directly in front of it. So if you stand adjustant to it, the dirver won't know you're there.

The bulldozer didn't simply approach Rachel and didn't stop as some would like you to believe. At one time, Rachel approached very close to the Bulldozer and lay down, while the dirver didn't notice her, and began driving forward.

[Tassadar500]

Originally posted by Tripledoc



If it sounded mean then it is probably beacuse you are a mean person. Fascist.

Do you even know what a facist is?

[Ned]

Originally posted by GePap

The requirements for someone BORN in Israel are the same without regard to race or religion. The distinction is only with regard to immigration.

given what happened to no-Jews in Israel at it;s beginning, and given that most israeli popualtion growth happend directly becuase of immigration-this matters immensely, probably more than issues baout being born there. After all , strict limits on who can beocme an Israeli coming from the outside limits who will be born in the future in the land.

I find Germany's citizenship laws to be terrible- the sooner they get rid of their emphasis on blood the better.

GePap, if the world hated a particular ethnic group to a degree that they were killing them by the millions, denying them all human rights, etc., etc., etc., it would be a crime against humanity IMHO not to accord them categorical refugee status.

Do you not agree with this?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Solver

Listen, when the UN GA passes resolutions declaring Israel to be a racist state, when the Security Council routinely passes resolutions (that are vetoed by the US) that condemn only Israel for the violence, one knows that there is no hope for peace.

As I'm sure you are well aware, the UN GA votes are passed by the simple majority of votes from all countries. Arabs (and even more so all Muslims), as you also know very well, have many countries, so the majority isn't hard to get there.

And the European countries would rather officially support the Palestenians here, at least by UN votes, because they don't wan to piss off a billion of Muslims.

By this logic, the Europeans (ignoring their role in the creating the reason Israel exists) would support rescinding the legal status of Israel as a state, and restoring the whole of Palestine to a single, Arab-dominated authority, because that is what the world of Islams wants.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Tripledoc



If it sounded mean then it is probably beacuse you are a mean person. Fascist.

Tripledoc, no German has a right to call a Jew a fascist.