AP: Dean had his OWN secret energy group.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
So I persist: What Dean did is a purely political mistake, not an ethical one. He was right in saying what he said, however clumsy it may have been (especially when quoted out of its context, which the medias love to do).

As a foreigner, I sincerely hope he gets elected. It will be better for all of us- including Americans, who may not always realize the accumulation of hatred towards them in the international community.

Oncle B, Dean was wrong not because he said that OBL should get a fair trial, but because he essentially said that WE should not try him but the the Hague should, because that means Osama bin Laden would not get the death penalty if found guilty. To most Americans, this is simply outrageous.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat

He's a mother****ing draft dodger. That's enough in my book, although if there was ever a draft that deserved dodging, the one for 'Nam was it.

Leave draftdodgers alone! The owner of my favourite bookstore and a friend of mine is a DD from the 60s. He liked it so much, he stayed.

[Q Classic]

i don't care who tries obl, i don't think he should get the death penalty. stick him in a 2.5x3x3 box for the rest of his life, but don't give him the death penalty.

[Verto]

Stick him in a cell with Bubba.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Clinton?

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Ned


Oncle B, Dean was wrong not because he said that OBL should get a fair trial, but because he essentially said that WE should not try him but the the Hague should, because that means Osama bin Laden would not get the death penalty if found guilty. To most Americans, this is simply outrageous.

I thought most Americans were now in fact against the death penalty.

Also how do you propose that Osama bin Laden is supposed to get a fair trial in the US. Especially considering that the persons convicted of the first attempt on the WTC were probably the victims of an FBI sting operation.

The idea that you can trick someone into being participants in a crime, provide them with the materials, provide them with immunity from intervention by authorities, and provide them with know how - and then let them be tried while the agent who fooled them into the crime is at the same time used as a key witness or his story (affidavit?) as key evidence, strikes me as not being in accordance with the jurisprudence laid down by the traditions of either Roman nor Germanic law. Although it may be in perfect accordance with British Imperial Law?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I thought most Americans were now in fact against the death penalty.

You thought wrong... VERY wrong. I think the last numbers still had around 65-70% in favor of the DP.

[Verto]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Clinton?

No, I was thinking a big black man. A lonely, big, black man.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Also how do you propose that Osama bin Laden is supposed to get a fair trial in the US. Especially considering that the persons convicted of the first attempt on the WTC were probably the victims of an FBI sting operation.

Huh?

Clinton did what?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


He's a mother****ing draft dodger. That's enough in my book, although if there was ever a draft that deserved dodging, the one for 'Nam was it.

Didn't George W. Bush dodge the service during Vietnam War too?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Since when did MtG like George Bush?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yes, but you're an idiot.

You do so well in expressing disagreement without insults, don't ya?

[JohnT]

He's taking a chapter from OB's book...

[JohnT]

According to Gallup, 64% of Americans support the death penalty.

http://www.bet.com/articles/0,,c1gb8328-9176,00.html

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Ned


Huh?

Clinton did what?

Clinton instituted the greatest policy scheme for the prevention of a future terrorist attack on the US, after the bombings of the African embassies. Clinton, I suppose, did not have the power to install the dirctor of the FBI. However he did have the power of installing George Tenet as director of the CIA. He was however ignored by the Republicans as he tried to warn the Bush administration of a possible attack. These warnings were ignored. The fact that the Bush team since tried to make Tenet the fall guy for the wrong intelligence info on Saddam's lack of WMD possesion is further testimony to the fact that the whole process has been overly politicized by the Republicans, and that to an extent where it has endangered the security of not only the US (as seen), but also valuable allies.