AP: Dean had his OWN secret energy group.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by JohnT

Given that the man isn't in power, they show nothing of the sort. If he's stupid enough to be playing to an audience that doesn't vote, that's his dumb mistake.

I take it that talking about what you would like to do if you had the power can have no value whatsoever? Is it a politician's role to have his beliefs, or to masturbate the voters? Well, your sayings pretty much explain the path towards junk, consume and throw away democracy the US has taken.

Now, if ever you cared to read my previous posts, you would recall that I said Dean did a political mistake, obviously, but I still believe he was fundamentally right in holding this position, however unpopular it may be.

[JohnT]

This upcoming election reminds me of an old political cartoon that I saw recently re: the Carter/Reagan election in 1980.

Two panels, side by side, caption underneath. Panel one had Carter saying "We must discuss energy policy.", panel two had Reagan saying "Let's kill the bastards."

Caption: "Election 1980: What message will resonate with voters?"

Tragically, Dean is about as qualified as Carter in re: to a political persona, and is nowhere nearly as qualified as a policy wonk.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
I take it that talking about what you would like to do if you had the power can have no value whatsoever? Is it a politician's role to have his beliefs, or to masturbate the voters? Well, your sayings pretty much explain the path towards junk, consume and throw away democracy the US has taken.

Now, if ever you cared to read my previous posts, you would recall that I said Dean did a political mistake, obviously, but I still believe he was fundamentally right in holding this position, however unpopular it may be.

The purpose of an election is to be elected, not to make yourself unpopular. If you have an opinion that is not shared among the electorate, then by all means, don't share it before election day.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by JohnT




The purpose of an election is to be elected, not to make yourself unpopular. If you have an opinion that is not shared among the electorate, then by all means, don't share it before election day.

Seriously, would you rather have a politician lie to you to get elected or tell you the truth in all circumstances? Anyway, we are agreed. It was an electoral mistake, I concede. But purely electoral. Only electoral. Cuz' trust me, if the US is to have any long term planning, it's the best thing to do.
(Example: the military alliance between China and Russia. This is an absolute failure of the American diplomacy).

[Kuciwalker]

We are calling him a moron. He is doing stupid things. Thus, we are probably justified.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by St Leo

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I don't know. There are a lot of Dean supporters who are mad at the Dems too. If Dean goes down to dirty tricks, they may boycott the Dems in the general elcetion.

Nader in 2004.

Haha, he arguably cost Gore the election last time. In fact, since it was down to the wire anyways, I would say he did cost him the election.

I know you're not serious, but I find it kind of ironic that liberals put him up on a pedastol, when in reality he's responsible for putting into office one of the most conservative presidents we've had in a while and one who's done more to piss off the liberals than anyone I can remember... right up there with Reagan, if not more so.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I know you're not serious, but I find it kind of ironic that liberals put him up on a pedastol, when in reality he's responsible for putting into office one of the most conservative presidents we've had in a while and one who's done more to piss off the liberals than anyone I can remember

Isn't the point of democracy to vote for who you like? The people who voted for Nader didn't put Bush in the White House. They voted for THEIR favorite candidate. To say they should have voted for Gore is to slap them (and their democratic choice) in the face.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Isn't the point of democracy to vote for who you like? The people who voted for Nader didn't put Bush in the White House. They voted for THEIR favorite candidate. To say they should have voted for Gore is to slap them (and their democratic choice) in the face.

[Kuciwalker]

Isn't the point of democracy to vote for who you like? The people who voted for Nader didn't put Bush in the White House. They voted for THEIR favorite candidate. To say they should have voted for Gore is to slap them (and their democratic choice) in the face.

Yeah, it's like saying "no one should vote for him because no one will vote for him"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Verto


No, I was thinking a big black man. A lonely, big, black man.

Yes, cuz it's so much worse to be raped by a Black man than any other kind of man.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
You do so well in expressing disagreement without insults, don't ya?

Well, since logic and well reasoned arguments don't work on you, yeah, insults will have to do.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ming

then why have you already convicted them

Because they act guilty, and because everything else about their administration stinks to high heaven with corporate cronyism. This is an administration with more former CEOs than any other in history, and nearly all of them are from companies that get their money not from superior products or services but from political connnections. To say this Administration is corrupt is an understatement. The real question is whether it was illegal.

[Ming]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because they act guilty... To say this Administration is corrupt is an understatement. The real question is whether it was illegal.

Then prove it... as I said, you have already pre-judged them, and you have no facts or proof to base it on. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Kind of letting your biases show aren't you

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ming
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Ask the guys in Gitmo or Jose Padilla or any number of Muslims grabbed by Ashcroft.

Kind of letting your biases show aren't you

Better to let it all hang out than to hide them and pretend you're objective.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Well, since logic and well reasoned arguments don't work on you, yeah, insults will have to do.

Logic and reason I understand -- for instance, look at Imran's argument.

Now your arguments on the other hand -- well, I might need a high-powered microscope to find a small piece of logic and reason.