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  • #76
    And that is in addition to general population growth and increase in capital.


    But living longer is one of the variables that account for general population growth. You can't separate the two.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Tripledoc

      Why? I am for once getting some valuable information.
      True. But don't expect to seriously challenge him on this topic... he knows his shiite.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Tripledoc


        I suppose you by that mean, amongst other things, the growth in single person households. Check Nation Master.com and see that the US is the leader in that regard. Now is that a result of an increasing number of non-spouse persons of all ages, or a growth in number of elderly people who have lost their spouse?
        No, I mean the flow of people (all household types) from one area of the country to other areas, following population trends. For example, California's population growth has been primarily migration from other states, rather than resident population increase, while states such as Montana and Wyoming have had downward population growth trends for most of the last twenty years - net migration out of state has been high enough to still surpass native population growth.

        From an energy use standpoint, single person households aren't that significant because most of them live in multi-unit housing with little or no additional net energy consumption compared to an equivalent number of people in either a larger multi-unit dwelling. Detached residences (i.e. houses instead of condos or apartments) are the least energy efficient per capita, particularly in heating and cooling applications, due to the relatively large external surface area of the dwelling per resident.
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        • #79
          Re: the AOL article

          I get it now. The New york Times is supporting Lieberman.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Oncle Boris


            What's the matter? Neither I or Dean or anyone with the least brains can deny Osama's responsibility. It's the extent of this responsibility that needs to be determined in a fair trial. Now, I suppose it is what we should understand from Dean's statement. And no, logics tell us that there can't be more proof in someone admitting his guilt than in someone denying it.
            Two problems:

            1) Anything done through the UN will not have the Death Penalty -- which IMHO makes the Hague and the ICC permanently useless for trials involving War Crimes or Crimes against Humanity, as these offenses desperately require the Death Penalty to provide an effective deterent and punishment.

            2) 9/11 was a crime agains the United States. We should have the first opportunity to try and execute the bastard.

            Dean's statements on OBL (and for that matter, Saddam) are little more than OUTRAGEOUS.
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            • #81
              MichealtheGreat.

              Geographic labour mobility has been a symptom of American capitalism for well since since the ineption of the U.S.A.

              This would have been planned for, since it would have entered into the statistics. The rise in single person households is a new socially determined factor which has perhaps not entered any calculation(?)

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              • #82
                While I'm not happy abuot the secrecy in Vermont, the secrecy in Washington is hiding corruption.


                So the secrecy in Washington is hiding corruption, but you are totally sure that the secrecy in Vermont has nothing to do with corruption.

                Yeah.... ok.. .
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                • #83
                  Well, duh!

                  "Governor Dean confronted and averted an energy crisis that would have had disastrous consequences for the citizens of Vermont by bringing together a bipartisan and ideologically diverse working group that solved the problem,'' spokesman Jay Carson said Sunday.

                  "D1ck Cheney put together a group of his corporate cronies and partisan political contributors, and they gave themselves billions and disguised it as a national energy policy.''

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                  • #84
                    Imran: The Dean mystique isn't about him. It's about hatred of Bush. I doubt you'd get Sava or che to say anything bad about the man even if you had a videotape of his accepting bribes.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                    • #85
                      Yeah, I figured as much. I had hopes that the far left or left-leaning independants would see through Dean's crap and realize he's as sleazy as the guy they despise.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #86
                        Wasn't the Constitutional Covention held in secret. I wonder how the founding fathers would have fared if the Convention was televised on CNN.
                        Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Agathon
                          Doesn't that all boil down to poor planning, Michael?
                          Not necessarily. Some of it certainly does, but there's no clearcut answer to the question of how much does the consumer pay for what level of reliability? Even if you take the corporate plundering out of the picture, you had a convegence of demand, capacity and economic issues that isn't likely to hit California that severely in the next fifty years or more.

                          Expecting sustained droughts across half a continent, including poor snowfalls in the winter, to coincide with record population and economic growth, coupled with the hottest average summer temperature on record to that date is the sort of thing that would have ratepayers and regulators screaming about goldplating and consumer gouging. Part of it really comes down to a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation where you can't afford so much redundancy in system capacity, because nobody will pay for the excess capital outlay.

                          If you look at California now, there are unused peaking plants all over the place that are never getting called on. A huge number of planned projects that were part of the last minute crisis planning have since been abandoned at various stages of development, and the state has a significant overcapacity once again, even though very little (about three percent of normal annual peak demand) new capacity was added from 1999 to 2003. That three percent added capacity is tiny, when you consider that California now has about 27% overcapacity, and minimum reserve requirements are about 15% overcapacity.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                            Yeah, I figured as much. I had hopes that the far left or left-leaning independants would see through Dean's crap and realize he's as sleazy as the guy they despise.
                            You have discovered one case of 'sleaziness', which frankly is somewhat reactionary since it is obviously a response to the accusatons of Cheney's sleaziness. It's the usual " he did it, so why can't I do it too?" routine.

                            Can you present anyone with further evidence of Dean's socalled sleazyness. Some sleazyness which does not serve the purpose of making a relativization out of Repblican sleazyness.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Ming


                              Interesting... allegations are as good as facts to you
                              Allegations warrent investigation.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                I said Dean can't call out Bush for a secret meeting on energy when he had the same thing. It's like when he railed against Bush closing his Texas record, when he did the same thing with his Vermont record!
                                I agree with this.
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