AP: Dean had his OWN secret energy group.

[Harry Tuttle]

Not to threadjack or anything, but is Osama still considered a citizen of Saudi Arabia or was his citizenship taken away?

Based on what I've seen I think the conservatives are frothing at the mouth to have Dean nominated. The National Review had a headline urging Dems to nominate him. The Review seems to think that the voters will be turned off by his rhetoric.

I think that Dean has been shooting himself in the foot for the past few months. He seems to be going the way of Pat Buchanon: Increasingly out on the ideological edge.

If anything I think the Dem nomination will be a heavily contested race, right up to the convention... Maybe Hillary will run

[Verto]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Not to threadjack or anything, but is Osama still considered a citizen of Saudi Arabia or was his citizenship taken away?

I think it was taken away.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Not to threadjack or anything, but is Osama still considered a citizen of Saudi Arabia or was his citizenship taken away?

Based on what I've seen I think the conservatives are frothing at the mouth to have Dean nominated. The National Review had a headline urging Dems to nominate him. The Review seems to think that the voters will be turned off by his rhetoric.

I think that Dean has been shooting himself in the foot for the past few months. He seems to be going the way of Pat Buchanon: Increasingly out on the ideological edge.

If anything I think the Dem nomination will be a heavily contested race, right up to the convention... Maybe Hillary will run

Karl Rove was out with democrats trying to work up support for dean, so just maybe

[JohnT]

In any way, someone admitting his guilt has never been a sufficient proof in a trial.

Edit: Oh, why bother?

[Tripledoc]

Hello. Reality check. Has there been any power shortages in Vermont?

[JohnT]

Yes, don't you remember the power outtage that hit the NE and Midwest this past August?

[Tripledoc]

And that was exclusively the fault of the governor of Vermont? Was he a Governor then?

[Tripledoc]

And a power outtage is significanly different from a power shortage.

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

``The governor needs to receive advice from time to time in closed session. As every person in government knows, sometimes you get more open discussion when it's not public,'' Dean was quoted as saying.

Isn't that almost exactly what the Bush team said?

Obviously the inarticulate Bushies must have just plagerized it from Dean.

[JohnT]

He left the Governorship in January, 2003 to focus on the WH race. Had he remained, he still would've been governor.

Regardless, your question makes no sense... Dean isn't responsible for the Vermont power grid any more than Bush is responsible for natural economic cycles.

Oh, wait....

[Sava]

this is the best the right can come up with?? oh yeah I'm sure the Vermont ENERGY TASK FORCE was a powerhouse of OIL MOGULS AND ENERGY TYCOONS!!!!



pathetic post Imran...

[Tripledoc]

No but Cheney has had very big interest in the privatization of the electric power in California. Actually it reflects badly on a preseident that he is not capable of confronting his vice president, when he is obvioulsy corrupt. It also reflects badly on the GOP, but maybe they are so totally blackened with gangrene that they cant reflect anything any longer. (It's the GOP that chooses the VP, not the Preseident, or what?)

[JohnT]

Vermont must upgrade its electric lines, build more power plants or start conserving energy better to avoid future power shortages, according to the people who run the state's high voltage power grid. “We’ve seen a big increase in summer demand over the past three years, but no major power plants or lines have been built in Vermont for about 20 years,” Tom Dunn, a project manager at the Vermont Electric Power Co (VELCO), said.

http://theharlowreport.com/2003/issue2/free/free_box.asp

Sorry, but it's only an excerpt and I don't subscribe to Forbes' European edition.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by JohnT

In any way, someone admitting his guilt has never been a sufficient proof in a trial.

Edit: Oh, why bother?

What's the matter? Neither I or Dean or anyone with the least brains can deny Osama's responsibility. It's the extent of this responsibility that needs to be determined in a fair trial. Now, I suppose it is what we should understand from Dean's statement. And no, logics tell us that there can't be more proof in someone admitting his guilt than in someone denying it.

And BTW, I personally believe it is very likely that Osama had knowledge of the plan beforehand. However, I don't recall seeing this proved in any way. I find it funny, the way Americans give themselves the right to presume a terrorist's guilt out of empirical deduction, while in the same time denying foreigners this right applied to the CIA, under the pretext that "we can't know what's in the classified document till it's opened".

Perhaps Osama's direct involvement has been proved, in which case I would be obviously wrong. But then, you should bother telling this to me.

[JohnT]

Child, it's called "confessions" and they are totally valid. How else do you read the following from the first OBL video, released in December, 2001:

UBL: (...Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.