Dope: Should it be legalised.

[Sava]

Originally posted by skywalker


You are just asking for the freedom to do it without any real worry for the consequences. No. It's your choice, yes, but you can't expect others to bear the burden of it.

no... I'm asking why you think you should arbitrarily deny someone medical care because of substance use that has no bearing on thousands of potential health care problems and costs...

i mean, if you just wanna be a selfish conservastive pudwhack... just say so... but if you have a legitimate point, make it...

[niDe]

*packs a cone*

it is fun.

[Peter Triggs]

if you are saying people should no be covered by a national health plan because their detrimental behavior is costing YOU money... don't you think you should SHOW THAT IT IS COSTING YOU MONEY?!

what about people who get hurt skateboarding or playing sports? that is an activity where injuries cost more money than marijuana usage?

We have a national health plan and I'm paying for the increasing incidence of schizophrenia in the population. Here's a link. I can't immediately remember the name of the bloke who's doing really good research on this stuff but I'll try to track him down. In summary:

"The overall weight of evidence is that occasional use of cannabis has few harmful effects overall," Zammit's team writes. "Nevertheless, our results indicate a potentially serious risk to the mental health of people who use cannabis. Such risks need to be considered in the current move to liberalise and possibly legalise the use of cannabis in the UK and other countries."

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/schizophrenia.jsp

[Flip McWho]

Yeah I've heard that it can cause alot of mental health problems. But again thats probably linked to the amount of usage.

[Sava]

Peter Triggs: and how much money, per person is this costing? exactly? 2 cents? or the UK equivalent of 2 American cents? seriously... you should prioritize... think about how much money bacon consumption is costing you in terms of health care costs... a LOT more than some pothead

[Flip McWho]

Sava you really are a strong advocate for legalising dope aren'y you. Some bloody good arguments you are raising.

[Berzerker]

H Tuttle -

Alright, maybe I'm just against it because of the drug culture. Damn hippies....

Then jail the hippies...

Are all pot smokers like this? No.

Hmm...you consider punishing the innocent because of the "guilty" to be a moral position? Is this how you want to be treated? I mean, if you don't use pot should you be punished if someone else who doesn't use pot fails to live up to your standard?

[Berzerker]

Peter, if you have a problem with paying for other people's health care costs, complain to those forcing you to pay for other people's health care. If we followed your logic, the government would mandate every aspect of our lives since we may engage in activities that pose a burden to others under socialised medicine. You watch too much TV? Don't get enough sleep? Not enough exercise? Work too hard or too little? Too much ice cream? You get the point...your argument is hypocritical and a recipe for totalitarianism if taken to it's logical conclusion...

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Berzerker
H Tuttle -

Then jail the hippies...

If only...

Originally posted by Berzerker

Hmm...you consider punishing the innocent because of the "guilty" to be a moral position? Is this how you want to be treated? I mean, if you don't use pot should you be punished if someone else who doesn't use pot fails to live up to your standard?

I don't get what your getting at. Could you rephrase? I think you're trying to make a flipside argument...? I'm not trying to punish anyone by outlawing pot. In fact, if its not any worse than cigarettes I'm for it being legalized. I'd just like some decent controls on it since it does screw up your perception of reality, as does alcohol.

I was just debating the improvement to society if it was legalized. From my limited experience I've seen a bunch of people get hooked on pot, then turn into bags of crap.

But my position wasn't from any moral aspect. More of a social benefit to socity standpoint. AKA: potheads do go to heaven and are not satan spawn.

[Flip McWho]

Also looking on the voting results. The vast majority of people that are against legalising it are people who have not had dope before. Interesting, I must say. Makes you wonder what they are basing their opinions on if they have never tried it.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Also looking on the voting results. The vast majority of people that are against legalising it are people who have not had dope before. Interesting, I must say. Makes you wonder what they are basing their opinions on if they have never tried it.

Not necessarily. The poll answers do not state whether someone has tried it before.

[Peter Triggs]

What about the pothead? There are people who totally f__k up their lives from smoking pot. I know some. There is a relativelely small minority of people who are genetically disposed toward schizophenia but who will be triggered towards this illness by pot. I know that for most people that smoking dope is less damaging than drinking or smoking tobacco.

But there is this minority who get totally screwed from smoking dope. What do we do about this? Personally, I'm in favour of minimal government but I know people who have really screwed themselve. I really don't know an answer to this question.

[Flip McWho]

True that, true that. Hmmm still I know some people that are totally against it and have never touched the stuff before, yet they think that alcohol and ciggies are so much more better than dope. Makes you wonder bout their reasoning (or lackthereof).

[Flip McWho]

Eh, it's the same as with the people who totally screw themselves up with the likes of alcohol. How do they deal with this btw, can't for the life of me remember.

Maybe we should just shoot them. (jokes)

[Berzerker]

H Tuttle -

I don't get what your getting at. Could you rephrase? I think you're trying to make a flipside argument...? I'm not trying to punish anyone by outlawing pot. In fact, if its not any worse than cigarettes I'm for it being legalized. I'd just like some decent controls on it since it does screw up your perception of reality, as does alcohol.

Did you not say it should be illegal? That's called punishing people... And your rationale, some of the people you know were lazy, etc., means you advocate punishing millions of people based on what these few people you know have done.

I was just debating the improvement to society if it was legalized. From my limited experience I've seen a bunch of people get hooked on pot, then turn into bags of crap.

Has pot disappeared under prohibition? Your argument's only potential viability (if we ignore morality) depends on the proposition that pot use is not only lower under prohibition, but so much lower as to outweigh all the negative consequences of prohibition...

But my position wasn't from any moral aspect.

I know.

More of a social benefit to socity standpoint. AKA: potheads do go to heaven and are not satan spawn.

Freedom is not a social benefit, but a nanny state that rules over us is a social benefit? The Nazis murdered millions based on what they decided was good for society...you know, ridding society of "undesirables" to enhance the German "race" starting with the mentally handicapped...

I suggest you find a different ideological principle...