The rights of father

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Mazarin

The fatherhood can be contested (if a married woman has been unfaithful, for example) and equals biological fatherhood in these cases; semen donators(voc.?) are not protected by German laws: if the woman can find out who it is, he will have to pay for the child.

Yeah, that's a lame definition. I take it 1600d establishes genetic paternity.

See, men have no reproductive rights.

[Mazarin]

Originally posted by Agathon


Yeah, that's a lame definition. I take it 1600d establishes genetic paternity.

See, men have no reproductive rights.

Well...if their semen has been used for impregnation without their knowledge/their approval illegally (rape/deceit) they can go to court and demand compensation. The laws have been made to ensure the children are provided security for in the first place -independently from further legal complications.

[Dis]

women make a better parent than a man in most cases.

[Imran Siddiqui]

semen donators(voc.?) are not protected by German laws: if the woman can find out who it is, he will have to pay for the child.

What a silly law. All this does is make sure that men will never donate semen anymore.

[mrmitchell]

women make a better parent than a man in most cases.

[Mazarin]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What a silly law. All this does is make sure that men will never donate semen anymore.

I concur, one more law that has been made to keep everything nicely defined and preserve potential problems.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Why are all politicians in every country such idiots?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Asher
There must be something he can do with the courts?

This should be a slam dunk for him to get joint custidy since he's paying child support and isn't a danger to anyone. He just has to go to the courts to get it ordered.

[Dis]

Originally posted by mrmitchell

are you saying women don't make better parents?

there is a reason why women are generally awarded custody in the U.S. (and in Canada)

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Combat Ingrid
There are endless stories like that here. It's really pissing me off, because it's almost always the kids that suffer the most, because one or both of the parents become very selfish and use the kids as weapons against eachother

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by Dissident
there is a reason why women are generally awarded custody in the U.S. (and in Canada)

There are a lot of reasons why women usually get custody in North America and Western Europe but fitness as a parent isn't often one of them.

1 A societal assumption that women should be the ones to raise children.

2 Men have historically earned more money so it is in the child's interest that it lives with her whilst he pays for it. This also saves the government money in social security payments to women with poor career prospects because they dropped out of work to have children.

3 Womens rights groups are better organised than mens rights groups.

Basically, it used to be because men worked and women raised children and the law supported that arrangement. That presumption has now been hijacked in favour of the economic benefit to everyone else of fathers working and paying.

[TheStinger]

In the UK, maintenace from the Father is not an issue in contact cases

[aaglo]

Oh crap... that's a sad situation with your friend, Pekka. If the story is true, then the mother has lost her marbles.

I've been in a similar situation myself (but without the kid), and it hurt like hell. I bet your friend's situation is worse. MUCH worse. I can't even imagine losing a daughter that way.

All the best for him and his daughter... and may his ex come to her senses.

[Enigma_Nova]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why are all politicians in every country such idiots?

It's a prerequisite for being popular with the herd that you appear to be of the herd.

My opinion on this case? I resent incompetant parents. The Father does not appear to be one of these; The Mother does.
My opinion? Let the Father have the child. Period.

IMO Children have a right to be free from corruption, coercion and vilifiaction. If this child is being pumped with lies by the mother, and being kept from the father, I consider that to be corruption and coercion.

Let the records show that Enigma_Nova agrees with a parenting strategy in this example

[CerberusIV]

Originally posted by TheStinger
In the UK, maintenace from the Father is not an issue in contact cases

No, it is now dealt with by the Child Support Agency, possibly rivalled only by the Inland Revenue for its incompetence in dealing with its "clients".

In a way that makes it worse as the courts rule on access arrangements, and any enforcement of them, completely separately from maintenance and child support payments.