RingWraiths vs. Dementors

[Imran Siddiqui]

But that's a situation of an Idiot amoungst Idiots, as it were.

And Gandalf isn't... among Idiots, I mean? If Voldemort is considered an idiot, then so is Saruman (even more so).

And funny you didn't mention it earlier... try to diminish the obvious skills and accomplishments of Dumbledore by ignoring them to try to make your point .

[Lonestar]

Hey, That's Lincoln-Douglas debating style for ya.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well I'm happy to be Lincoln then .

I don't doubt that Gandalf is very powerful (especially after he is sent back), what I contest is that Dumbledore isn't as powerful. Since there are no Gods (well... as far as we know, since Rowling is British, chances are that she is an atheist) in Potter's world, Dumbledore is the closest thing you'll get to one, and he is pretty damned close... as is Voldemort.

Now Gandalf with the One Ring (and not just his one of three elvish rings) would obviously be more powerful than Dumbledore.

[Mr. President]

Wouldn't Sauron own Gandalf's soul if he had the One Ring?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Hmmm... interesting question. I haven't read the Simillarion, so perhaps someone who has can answer?

[DinoDoc]

I've seen nothing so far that comes close to convincing me that Voldemort is even in Sauron's class.

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Crimson Sunrise
Wouldn't Sauron own Gandalf's soul if he had the One Ring?

Not instantly. The power of the Ring takes time to corrupt. Powerful wizards become uber-wizards in the mean time.

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well I'm happy to be Lincoln then .

You are aware that Lincoln lost the Senate seat he was debating for?

[GePap]

Well, I shall enter this nerdy fray with a few simple observations:

Nothing whatsoever in the "potterverse" (OK...) comes even close to being as mythic and terrifying as a beast like a Balrog- and Gandalf the Gey was able to defeat one.

As with all "story-mixing" debates, since the fundamentals are so different it is really impossible to judge-but simply given the scop of the stories, there can be no real comparison..LoTR deals with Epic good vs Evil on a"global" scale, while in the Potterverse you are barely even told if the vast majority of mankind would suffer any effect from Voldemorts takeover.

Lets put it this way..in the Potterverse, the killing of 13 people is probalby the biggest single act of violence I have seen mentioned in the book: compare this to vast battles...I mean, no contest whatsoever.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I've seen nothing so far that comes close to convincing me that Voldemort is even in Sauron's class.

I didn't say it was. I said Voldemort is in Saruman's class.

You are aware that Lincoln lost the Senate seat he was debating for?

He won the war though .

[Imran Siddiqui]

the Potterverse you are barely even told if the vast majority of mankind would suffer any effect from Voldemorts takeover.

Well the head of Durmstrang, in GoF, was a death eater. Also the Giants (which where in central Europe) were part of Voldemort's army (he claims that in GoF).

But yes we are suffering from too little information in Rowling's world. I guess there are two more books to find out. I assume there had to be some major battles in the First War between Voldemort's forces and the Aurors.

[Drake Tungsten]

My theory is that Sauron's power doesn't work in Potterverse, so the 'wraiths are as good as dead.

The ringwraiths don't need the power of Sauron to sustain them, as is evidenced by the Witch King's establishment of a kingdom in Angmar and his subsequent destruction of the northern kingdom of Arnor, all done whilst Sauron was still incorporeal after being struck down by Isildur. As long as the One Ring still exists, the ringwraiths will survive and be able to operate without guidance from Sauron, if need be.

[GePap]

On the arguement Dumbledore is almost an angel or demi-god:

WHAT????

Being the best Wizard in the world does no make him a demi-god anymore than being the bex boxer in the world for a while made Mike Tyson a demi-God. Dumbledore is old after, what? a century or 2? While Gandalf lives forever? Big difference. Lets ee Dumbledore fall down a huge chasm and fight by hand a creature half as frighting and powerful as a Balrog, then lets talk.

[MrBaggins]

Right. Gandalf had already lived 300 lives ages by the time of the war. Thats a lot of ass-whupping experience.

[Theben]

Wouldn't Sauron own Gandalf's soul if he had the One Ring?

Hmmm... interesting question. I haven't read the Simillarion, so perhaps someone who has can answer?

Depends on the power of the wielder. Gandalf would have enough power (with the ring) to unseat Sauron and take his place as a new dark lord.

My theory is that Sauron's power doesn't work in Potterverse, so the 'wraiths are as good as dead.

When the ring was destroyed, the wraiths were destroyed too. So they are bound to Sauron and the ring. There were things said in LotR that make me think that Sauron's power doesn't go beyond middle earth...then again, if the nine can enter the pottyverse, his power must reach there...