RingWraiths vs. Dementors

[MrBaggins]

"Gandalf the Grey" was beaten by "Saruman the White".

"Gandalf the White", however, was beaten by no-one, right?

People... except these uber-wizards it seems, die for real in LotR, rather than the soft and plushy world that is HP. If you die in HP, its blatant plot device... and not a sign of a dangerous world.

My take is that Gandalf the White would whip Dumbledore silly AND those Ring Wraiths would mince the Dementors in a new york minute.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Crimson Sunrise
My theory is that the Ringwraiths can't feel hopelessness. I think Sauron's corruption of them means that they can only feel hate, greed, and violence as long as his power sustains them.

My theory is that Sauron's power doesn't work in Potterverse, so the 'wraiths are as good as dead.

[MrBaggins]

Who's to say where this battle would take place. And who's to say what the reach of the power of the Ring was?

[GePap]

GEEKS!

/me runs away yet again.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
My theory is that Sauron's power doesn't work in Potterverse,

Based on what evidence?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by MrBaggins
Who's to say where this battle would take place.

Read the OP

Originally posted by MrBaggins
And who's to say what the reach of the power of the Ring was?

In actuality, it doesn't exist at all. But I am giving it benefit of the doubt. Help me here.

[SlowwHand]

Paiktis is the only thing more feared than Ringwraiths.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

And Dumbledore is the most power creature in the Potterverse... sounds akin to an angel to me.

Powerful Wizard < Minor God!

Hand-to-hand: Dumbledore is an old man with a wand. Gandalf *looks* old, but he's actually eternal. After all, he's a minor god. When the combat starts, he picks up his staff and starts kicking ass beside the young bucks he travels with. Oh, wait. Excuse me. He uses the staff in *one* hand. He has GLAMDRING in the other.

If Gandalf gets close, the fight is already over. Dumbledore probably knows this. He wants to keep Gandalf at a distance, so that means magic.

Now, we have no idea of the extent of either wizard's destructive power. We can probably assume that Gandalf's is greater, because he's a MINOR GOD. On the other hand, sheer force probably never comes into play. We've seen how wizards fight in both worlds, and Gandalf has the Quick Draw advantage here. While Dumbledore is busy pointing his wand and shouting his magic words, Gandalf swings his staff and knocks him on his ass from across the field.

[Imran Siddiqui]

People... except these uber-wizards it seems, die for real in LotR, rather than the soft and plushy world that is HP.

Aroo? People don't die for real in HP? What about Cedric the Ravenclaw in GoF? What about Sirius in OotP? Are you telling me they are still alive?

We've seen how wizards fight in both worlds, and Gandalf has the Quick Draw advantage here. While Dumbledore is busy pointing his wand and shouting his magic words, Gandalf swings his staff and knocks him on his ass from across the field.

You don't always need a wand for magic (or to say any magic words with the wand in your hand - once again see the battle in OotP). For the more important spells, of course, but it doesn't take all that long to whip out a wand (assuming he doesn't have it out already).

Powerful Wizard < Minor God!

When a Wizard can do things akin to a Minor God, I think it is safe to equalize them. He can disappear and appear at will. He can make inanimate objects do his bidding (making statues come alive, water & fire acting like puddy in his hands). 'Beaming' his enemies in the painful coil of hellish creatures. And, of course, Voldemort showed that a powerful wizard can control others very easily without a wand or magic words.

Sounds kinda God-ish, don't you think?

[Lonestar]

I think the evidence speaks for itself, Imran.

[pchang]

Literature

I all seems to depend upon the stature with which the beholder holds the literature in question. Clearly, the majority here feel the Harry Potter books cannot hold a candle to the Tolkien books, with one notable exception: Imran. This isn't Dementors vs. Ring Wraiths. It is Rowlings vs. Tolkien.

[Mr. President]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


My theory is that Sauron's power doesn't work in Potterverse, so the 'wraiths are as good as dead.

Ah, but Sauron's power comes from Melkor. Melkor is "outside the world" according to the Silmarillion. I propose that this means that he is outside the crossover multiverse but that his will remains inside it. As such, Sauron's power can be extended from Middle Earth to the Potterverse.

Heck, I don't know

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think the evidence speaks for itself, Imran.

Yeah, that Dumbledore would hold up very well against Gandalf and probably win.

Seeing as how it seems you haven't read OotP, you have no standing in this discussion, because that is the only point in the books where Dumbledore fights (once against the Aurors and once against Voldemort).

[Lonestar]

Hell, I read it. But that's a situation of an Idiot amoungst Idiots, as it were.

[GhengisFarb™]

Re: RingWraiths vs. Dementors

Throw in the Swedish Bikini team minus the bikinis and all go to opening night.